Out of state PPT

[NorCal_]

I was wondering what the procedure was for an out of state PPT and what type of fees are FFL's allowed to charge the buyer?

[Malthusian]

Per Federal law both parties must be residents of the same State for a PPT transfer
An out of State seller must utilize a FFL dealer to facilitate transfer
Only guns on the roster may be shipped to CA and sold thru a FFL for private party or otherwise

Usually if you find a rostered Gun on a site like Gunbroker, by the time you pay the FFL fees, shipping and CA "sales tax" at the time of DROS, it turns out to be cheaper to just have a local dealer order the gun for you

The FFL can charge you whatever they want. The fees are not regulated. A local dealer here changes $100.
To ship the gun, I have read runs around $60-$85 through UPS and it must be shipped overnight per their rules

[kemasa]

As was said, there is no out of state PPT. A PPT is where both parties go to the FFL and both have to be residents of the same state.

If the seller is not a FFL: If the firearm is a handgun, then depending on the FFL, it can be cheaper to ship it through a FFL since a FFL can ship it USPS rather than the expensive overnight UPS or FedEx. Long guns do not need to be shipped overnight, so it is cheaper to directly ship those. There is no requirement for a non-FFL seller to ship a firearm through a FFL, but it has to go to a FFL. Some FFLs will not accept shipments of firearms from non-FFLs.

As was said, there is no limit to the fees that a FFL might charge. Sales tax is required if it is coming from a business, but if the seller is a private party, it is an occasional sale and they don't have a business and write a letter to document that, then it is sales tax exempt.

[ChrisTKHarris]

For comparison my local shop here in Sac charges $60 for FFL.

[kemasa]

Does that include the DROS fee?

[NorCal_]

My issue is that I don't want to pay a transfer fee and then pay sales tax on top of that. BTW its a private seller.

[Malthusian]

My issue is that I don't want to pay a transfer fee and then pay sales tax on top of that. BTW its a private seller.

I would contact the FFL that you are planning on using to facilitate the transfer to get a total cost out the door

As was said, there is no limit to the fees that a FFL might charge. Sales tax is required if it is coming from a business, but if the seller is a private party, it is an occasional sale and they don't have a business and write a letter to document that, then it is sales tax exempt.

I had not heard about the "letter" so you may be GTG on the tax front. Most of the threads about "Sales tax" were in reference to Gun Broker purchases.

[NorCal_]

I would contact the FFL that you are planning on using to facilitate the transfer to get a total cost out the door

I'll most likely be using City Arms in Pacifica.

[kemasa]

Any purchase which is sales tax exempt should be documented, which is what the letter is for. Even if the firearm is shipped through a FFL, the sale can be from a private party and that is what counts, excluding where the FFL gets involved in the price or finding the buyer.

[Malthusian]

I'll most likely be using City Arms in Pacifica.

I have no experience with City Arms, however in another current thread about out of State transfer fees. City Arms was recommended

[desertdweller]

Keep in mind what the law is for the other state. Arizona allows private transfer without going through an FFL, but like another poster said, you both have to be residents of that state. Once you get the gun here, there is a form you can fill out and send to the state along with $19 and register it.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991.php

[halifax]

Keep in mind what the law is for the other state. Arizona allows private transfer without going through an FFL, but like another poster said, you both have to be residents of that state. Once you get the gun here, there is a form you can fill out and send to the state along with $19 and register it.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/ab991.php

And how is he supposed to do that within the law without using an 01FFL in CA?

[kemasa]

You can fill out the form after you get the firearm, which is after submitting the DROS, but it is pointless. The form can not be used unless BOTH parties live in CA.

[hunter16]

PPT transfer question

Could you provide the section of (presumably 922 of the GCA) which says
"both parties must be residents of the same State for a PPT transfer" for a state in which PPT is legal such as OR, NV and many other states?

Thanks

Per Federal law both parties must be residents of the same State for a PPT transfer
An out of State seller must utilize a FFL dealer to facilitate transfer
Only guns on the roster may be shipped to CA and sold thru a FFL for private party or otherwise

Usually if you find a rostered Gun on a site like Gunbroker, by the time you pay the FFL fees, shipping and CA "sales tax" at the time of DROS, it turns out to be cheaper to just have a local dealer order the gun for you

The FFL can charge you whatever they want. The fees are not regulated. A local dealer here changes $100.
To ship the gun, I have read runs around $60-$85 through UPS and it must be shipped overnight per their rules

[ke6guj]

Could you provide the section of (presumably 922 of the GCA) which says
"both parties must be residents of the same State for a PPT transfer" for a state in which PPT is legal such as OR, NV and many other states?

Thanks

here you go:

for any person other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer,
licensed dealer, or licensed
collector to transport into or receive in
the State where he resides (or if the
person is a corporation or other business
entity, the State where it maintains
a place of business) any firearm purchased
or otherwise obtained by such
person outside that State, except that
this paragraph (A) shall not preclude
any person who lawfully acquires a
firearm by bequest or intestate succession
in a State other than his State of
residence from transporting the firearm
into or receiving it in that State, if it is
lawful for such person to purchase or
possess such firearm in that State, (B)
shall not apply to the transportation or
receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity
with subsection (b)(3) of this section,
and (C) shall not apply to the
transportation of any firearm acquired in
any State prior to the effective date of
this chapter;

(5) for any person (other than a licensed
importer, licensed manufacturer,
licensed dealer, or licensed
collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give,
transport, or deliver any firearm to any
person (other than a licensed importer,
licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer,
or licensed collector) who the transferor
knows or has reasonable cause to believe
does not reside in (or if the person
is a corporation or other business entity,
does not maintain a place of business
in) the State in which the
transferor resides; except that this
paragraph shall not apply to (A) the
transfer, transportation, or delivery of a
firearm made to carry out a bequest of
a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate
succession of a firearm by, a person
who is permitted to acquire or
possess a firearm under the laws of the
State of his residence, and (B) the loan
or rental of a firearm to any person for
temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;

based on those two sections, it is illegal to do a private party transfer without using an FFL to facilitate the transfer.