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[CGK60]

Hello is a safe affidavit needed if you have a Calif approved lock for a long gun.

[Cokebottle]

You must have EITHER, an approved lock with receipt verifying purchase within the last 30 days, or a safe affidavit.

The safe affidavit trumps the approved lock for long guns, but not for handguns.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Most dealers are going to require you to show a receipt from the last 30 days for a lock you bring in yourself. For long guns, the safe affidavit will work. Federal law requires all handguns to be provided with a lock, so the affidavit will not work.

[Cokebottle]

Most dealers are going to require you to show a receipt from the last 30 days for a lock you bring in yourself. For long guns, the safe affidavit will work. Federal law requires all handguns to be provided with a lock, so the affidavit will not work.

Curious if we could use a "furnished" lock to satisfy the feds, and the safe affidavit to satisfy the DOJ?
Seems to be within the law.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Curious if we could use a "furnished" lock to satisfy the feds, and the safe affidavit to satisfy the DOJ?
Seems to be within the law.

Any lock a dealer delivers must be on the approved list of FSDs for that firearm. Therefore, there is no point in using the affidavit if you use a lock.

[Cokebottle]

Any lock a dealer delivers must be on the approved list of FSDs for that firearm. Therefore, there is no point in using the affidavit if you use a lock.

What I'm thinking of is a PPT.

BATF says a lock must be furnished with the gun. The seller supplying a (approved) lock with the gun satisfies that, same as a lock that the manufacturer supplies.

The difference is, the manufacturer's lock is "bought" with the gun so it satisfies the DOJ "within 30 days" requirement... that would not be the case with the PPT since the lock is not a dealer sale and there is no receipt.

So the seller furnishes a lock (could be the one that came with the gun originally), but the DOJ still has the "within 30 days" requirement.
BUT... the DOJ recognizes the safe affidavit in lieu of a lock, so the lock would satisfy the BATF, and the affidavit would satisfy the DOJ, and the buyer can save $5-$10.

[dirtyJ]

In the case of a PPT, if the seller writes out a little bill of sale for the lock and dates it, that counts as a receipt. We do everything we can to not force people to buy locks, up to and including giving them away for free, with receipt. We still get the odd....odd person who comes in and buys 5 locks for whatever random reason.

[tenpercentfirearms]

In the case of a PPT, if the seller writes out a little bill of sale for the lock and dates it, that counts as a receipt. We do everything we can to not force people to buy locks, up to and including giving them away for free, with receipt. We still get the odd....odd person who comes in and buys 5 locks for whatever random reason.

The seller could write a receipt for the lock or the seller can just make sure the lock is in with the gun and don't even bother with a receipt. How is the PPT seller any different than a wholesale seller? If a wholeseller who gets guns from a manufacturer includes a gun lock in with the pistol, that is absolutely no different than a PPT seller who includes a lock with the pistol. You don't ask the wholesaler to give you a receipt or take the lock out and say the person can't use it do you? (well you might and you are one hard core money grubbing FFL if you do)

So if the gun already has an approved FSD in the box, it did not come from the buyer, so there is no need to require a receipt.

For the Feds, they say a lock must be provided. They could care less who provides it even though the language leads me to believe the FFL is supposed to provide it. Well you provided it by getting one from the manufacturer, your inventory, or the seller.

[flatearth]

Maybe I should have started a new thread, but since this came up in the search and is pretty recent, I will post my concern here...

I just purchased a handgun through PPT. I brought with me a brand new, unopened Master Lock 90TRISPT Keyed-Alike Gun Locks (this exact item http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-90...f=pd_rhf_p_t_1) and it was purchased on 07/02/2010, which was within 30 days. I also brought a copy of the invoice for that order. I was also handed a blank worksheet for the affidavit stating ownership of gun safe/lock box.

Am I good to go with the masterlock trigger lock? Since I did the PPT/DROS today, I am eligible to pick up the handgun on 08/01/2010, which would still be within the 30 days since I purchased the trigger lock.

But I can't find that specific trigger lock model on the roster of approved FSD (sometimes, no all the time, I really hate california). So I have no idea what I should do. I suppose I have to buy a new, proper lock on the pickup date?

Any advice greatly appreciated.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Maybe I should have started a new thread, but since this came up in the search and is pretty recent, I will post my concern here...

I just purchased a handgun through PPT. I brought with me a brand new, unopened Master Lock 90TRISPT Keyed-Alike Gun Locks (this exact item http://www.amazon.com/Master-Lock-90...f=pd_rhf_p_t_1) and it was purchased on 07/02/2010, which was within 30 days. I also brought a copy of the invoice for that order. I was also handed a blank worksheet for the affidavit stating ownership of gun safe/lock box.

Am I good to go with the masterlock trigger lock? Since I did the PPT/DROS today, I am eligible to pick up the handgun on 08/01/2010, which would still be within the 30 days since I purchased the trigger lock.

But I can't find that specific trigger lock model on the roster of approved FSD (sometimes, no all the time, I really hate california). So I have no idea what I should do. I suppose I have to buy a new, proper lock on the pickup date?

Any advice greatly appreciated.

It appears the Masterlock locks you purchased off of Amazon will do you no good in California. Sorry.

It depends on the dealer. I do a lock trade in program. You bring me a lock and give it to me. I do not use it to satisfy the lock requirement for that transaction because I already provide you with a lock of a different make and model.

Your dealer might not be that cool though.

[flatearth]

It appears the Masterlock locks you purchased off of Amazon will do you no good in California. Sorry.

It depends on the dealer. I do a lock trade in program. You bring me a lock and give it to me. I do not use it to satisfy the lock requirement for that transaction because I already provide you with a lock of a different make and model.

Your dealer might not be that cool though.

Thanks for the info.

Would it be okay if I purchased an approved lock (from the dealer) on the day I pick up the handgun or does that have to happen when he filed the DROS (ie, have the make/model of lock on the DROS)?

I wish this whole thing was easier to understand...

[Cokebottle]

Thanks for the info.

Would it be okay if I purchased an approved lock (from the dealer) on the day I pick up the handgun or does that have to happen when he filed the DROS (ie, have the make/model of lock on the DROS)?

I wish this whole thing was easier to understand...

If you don't have an approved lock, the dealer will indeed force you to buy one prior to releasing the gun.

But bringing your own gives you a certain level of control. Turners, and most other decent shops will have a basic DAC cable lock for around $5, maybe $6.
We've all heard stories about people going in for a PPT and, since they're basically held hostage, being forced to pay as much as $15 or $20 for that same $5 lock.