Question about C&R sale - gun registered in your name

[steaze]

Hello,

I am considering selling off one of my C&R's but it is registered in my name. Would i have to sell this via PPT or just FTF and get license number?

thanks,

kyle

[paul0660]

FTF, make sure the buyer is not prohibited (ask him), get a copy of the license, and then send in one of these: http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/forms/pdf/BOF4546NLIP0209.pdf

[steaze]

thanks alot! appreciate it

[EOD Guy]

If the C&R is a handgun, it must be transferred through a dealer.

[msand951]

Dont want to steal this thread but great question.
What if i purchased a c&r rifle with my c&r license. Then my license expired. Can I sell it to a C&R license holder. Cash and carry. He told me he just needed a copy of my drivers license.

[taloft]

Dont want to steal this thread but great question.
What if i purchased a c&r rifle with my c&r license. Then my license expired. Can I sell it to a C&R license holder. Cash and carry. He told me he just needed a copy of my drivers license.

Unless you plan to renew your license, it won't matter in this case. If you plan on renewing, I'd obtain a copy of the buyers signed FFL03 for your bound book. If the rifle is 50+ years old you can sell it ftf with anyone as long as they are not prohibited from owning firearms. Since the buyer is a FFL03, he will need a copy of your drivers license for his bound book. While California recognizes C&R firearms by using the Federal definition, they require anything under 50 years old to be transferred via a FFL01. So, if the C&R rifle you want to sell is under 50 you'll need to do a PPT through a local dealer.

[msand951]

its over 50 its actually 51 years old.

[ke6guj]

Dont want to steal this thread but great question.
What if i purchased a c&r rifle with my c&r license. Then my license expired. Can I sell it to a C&R license holder. Cash and carry. He told me he just needed a copy of my drivers license.

Since your license expired, you are just like every other non-licensee. As long as it is a long gun over 50-years old(which you said it was), CA allows for paperless Cash-and-carry transfers. Now, since the buyer is an 03FFL, federal law requires him to get your info to put in his bound book. You don't need to get any info from him, since you aren't an 03FFL and not have to maintain a bound book.

Unless you plan to renew your license, it won't matter in this case. If you plan on renewing, I'd obtain a copy of the buyers signed FFL03 for your bound book.

why? Since his license expired, he isn't a licensee and doesn't have to maintain a bound book. If he gets a new license, he would start a new bound book, and since this transfer would have occured before he got his new license, he has no requirement to log this transfer in his new book.

[msand951]

Cool, Thanks Guys.

[Edge]

Looking at the form, it requires that you record the buyers name, address, and phone number. Does this apply to C&R rifles as well? What if you sold a C&R rifle ftf, but didn't write down that info, then later decided to send in the NLIP form? Will it not be accepted?

Also, what if you don't have information on when you purchased the firearm you are filling out the form for?

[Mssr. Eleganté]

Looking at the form, it requires that you record the buyers name, address, and phone number. Does this apply to C&R rifles as well? What if you sold a C&R rifle ftf, but didn't write down that info, then later decided to send in the NLIP form? Will it not be accepted?

Also, what if you don't have information on when you purchased the firearm you are filling out the form for?

Long guns are not registered in California, so sending in the NLIP form for a long gun that you sell is completely pointless. And sending in the NLIP form for handgun sales is 100% voluntary. If they kick back the form because you didn't include enough information then just forget about it.

[paul0660]

Long guns are not registered in California

The OP says his is, he may be mistaken, I dunno. Perhaps he self registered for some reason. If it is, a NLIP form filing is appropriate.

[CSACANNONEER]

The OP says his is, he may be mistaken, I dunno. Perhaps he self registered for some reason. If it is, a NLIP form filing is appropriate.

He either filled out and sent in a voluntary registration form or, he mistakenly thinks that DROS/4473 info equals "registration". Either way, he is not required to send in a NLIP form. He can if he want to feel good but, does the NLIP form really mean anything? Someone could submit one for every firearm they own. The way I see it is the NLIP form is just another attempt at tracking sales which do not need to be tracked by the state.

[orangeusa]

NLIP for seller or buyer (wrt handgun)?

If buyer is FFL out of state, I doubt that sending him one of these will be effective.

BUT - does seller (in state), need to fill this out for handgun shipped by individual to out of state FFL?

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[ke6guj]

seller doesn't have to do an NLIP if he is directly sending a handgun to an out-of-state FFL, but if he doesn't, that handgun would be forever "registered" in his name in CA's records (at least until it came back into the state and got re-registered to someone else).