returning a gun

[zinfull]

I had a question asked and would like to know different view.

The problem is:
A C&R pistol is sold and shipped from a CA FFL to an out of state buyer which goes through a local FFL01. He checks the pistol and does not agree with the seller as being correctly advertised and wants to return the gun. The out of state FFL01 does not want to sign up to the CFLC system and the CA FFL will only receive from another FFL.

Why do so many CA FFL require an FFL to FFL transaction when shipping guns? It is not illegal for normal people to ship so how come they refuse?

jerry

[tenpercentfirearms]

What a complete mess.

I just need to be clear. The guy who sold the gun now needs to get it back correct? I think he can get it back from the FFL he gave it to if it is DROSed as an exempt gun. The CA FFL could also claim he had it for gunsmithing and just give it back too if he wanted.

The problem lies in it being out of state and the out of state FFL not wanting to sign up for the CFLC. The CA FFL has no option other than receiving a CFLC number if he receives that firearm back from the out of state FFL. There is no requirement that the pistol be shipped back to the CA FFL from a dealer and he most certainly can accept it back from a private individual, which would exempt it from having to be accompanied by a CFLC number.

Why do dealers require guns to come from other dealers? The only thing I can figure out is that the shipping dealer supposedly will look at the person's ID and that protects the receiving dealer from receiving stolen merchandise. Personally I don't give a darn and if the gun you bought is stolen, that is on you and not my concern. Mainly I have no idea who the other dealer is so I have no way of knowing for sure if they did check an ID or even if it was a fake, so I don't worry about it. I like the KISS principle.

Yeah this sucks for your buddy. He can consider the fact that if he has the guy's money and he thinks he advertised it correctly, he just says "tough luck" and keeps the money and lets the guy keep the gun.

[zinfull]

I gave they guy who bought the gun a few choices
1- keep it and warn people of the dealer who he bought from.
2- Call DOJ and complain about poor practices.
3- Ship to a intermediate FFL with a CFLC.
4- Convince his FFL to join, the CA will never change.

Only 2 will get some money back.

jerry

[kemasa]

The answer as to why some FFLs will only receive from other FFLs is that it is easier. You can check the license on the BATF web site and know who you are dealing with.

With that said, the FFL really should be reasonable and get a copy of the person's drivers license (in advance). They should not give a copy of their FFL to a non-FFL, just the number which is needed for the BATF ezcheck web page.

The out of state FFL should not do what the anti-gun people want and get the CFLC letter. It is easy and not a big deal. It is often possible to talk to such a FFL and convince them to do it. The main thing to point out is the anti-gun aspect.

[CSACANNONEER]

See if 10% is willing to receive it from the private party and then ship it to your FFL. Yea, if Wes is willing to do it, it'll cost you extra shipping and whatever he wants for his time but, you'll get it back.

[kemasa]

Personally, if the firearm was properly advertised, I would tell the buyer that once the firearm is returned, in the same condition as it was sent, that the money would be refunded. Return shipping would be on their dime.

If it was not properly advertised, then the seller needs to deal with the problem.

There might be FFLs in your area who will accept the firearm, but as mentioned other FFLs can do the shipping if needed.

[zinfull]

Thanks

I will pass the info and opinions on the the buyer.

jerry