PPT's

[Dimitri A.]

Hey guy's. I hope one of you FFL's can answer this for me and forgive me if it's been asked already.

Here's my question. Let's say I have a gun that's not on the roster, say for example a series 70 colt that I legally bought here in CA back in the day. If I wanted to sell this gun to my neighbor, I know that all we need do is go to an FFL and do the paperwork, but let's say I'm in SoCal, and I find a buyer in NorCal. Can I ship it to an FFL up there or does it have to be a FTF transaction?

[lorax3]

If the firearm is not on the roster it would need to be a 'face-to-face' PPT.

You may ship it but the gun would be transferred as a dealer transfer and the buyer would need to be roster exempt in order to complete the sale.

[IrishPirate]

^not true^

asked the DOJ and it doesn't need to be FTF, both parties just need to have a CDL. You'd be fine, but the FFL does have the right to require both parties to be present to complete the transaction. Not necessary, but it's their right if they want to.

[lorax3]

^not true^

I am aware that there may not be a codified requirement for both parities to be present.

Do you have a DOJ letter on this? Or any FFL's that are willing to do a roster exempt transfer without both parties present?

[Dimitri A.]

So what if I wanted to buy a gun from out of state that's on the roster, from a private party?

[kemasa]

Both parties need to go to the FFL, but not at the same time. Both need to sign the DROS or the DROS worksheet for a PPT.

[IrishPirate]

So what if I wanted to buy a gun from out of state that's on the roster, from a private party?

not totally sure but i think both still need to have CDL's to PPT in CA

My info came direct from a phone call with the DOJ. I asked them if i could get that info in writing and they said it's on their website....I haven't really gone searching for it since then because it turned out the info was preventing me from buying an out of state off roster handgun so i just went with it. If someone has any code that says otherwise i'd be happy to see it.

PPT of off roster handguns is done the same as on roster handguns because once it's here, it's here and the roster only applies to new and used guns, not consignment and PPT. Like i said, if the FFL wants both people to be present they can require it for any transaction, but they can also take faxed or mailed papers for PPT of on or off roster handguns. will you find that everyone is willing to do this? probably not, but there will be some out there who know that if need be you can PPT off roster handguns without the seller showing up at the FFL. not sure who they are, that's where the buyer and seller need to do some research. or perhaps the DOJ person i talked to misinformed me......

[tenpercentfirearms]

That isn't what my DOJ agent Bob said at my last inspection. He said face to face is just that, face to face.

Also, how do you verify signatures and IDs via fax or e-mail?

Sorry, a PPT is a private party transfer where both buyer and seller come into my store with valid CA ID, DL, or military ID with duty station orders. I might fudge on not forcing them both in at the same time if the seller brought in the gun without the buyer present, but I still want an original signature on that DROS form from the seller and I want it witnessed by someone from my sales staff.

[kemasa]

Wes is correct. A PPT has to have both people come in to the FFL. It does not have to be at the same time as the seller can sign a DROS worksheet (which I confirmed with the CA DOJ quite some time ago), same as with a consignment for non-certified handguns.