Taurus Judge

[Biker Buzz]

I know the Judge is not available for sale in California but can it be transferred between family members from another state to a family member in California?
Thanks for the info.

[ke6guj]

No, the Judge is an illegal SBS in CA. It doesn't matter thatn it isnt on the orster.

[CSDGuy]

As ke6guj stated, The Judge is a Short Barrel Shotgun. If you got the right permits and such, then yes, you could theoretically own The Judge in California... Now, how many people have SBS permits for personal possession? Not many, I'd wager...

[Biker Buzz]

As ke6guj stated, The Judge is a Short Barrel Shotgun. If you got the right permits and such, then yes, you could theoretically own The Judge in California... Now, how many people have SBS permits for personal possession? Not many, I'd wager...

Thanks for the info.. I had heard several different versions and didn't know what to believe.

[CSDGuy]

The practical result... you can't own The Judge in California.

[Quiet]

Here is the CA law that defines the Taurus Judge as a SBS.


Penal Code 12020
(c)(1) As used in this section, a "short-barreled shotgun" means any of the following:
(A) A firearm which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell and having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(B) A firearm which has an overall length of less than 26 inches and which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(C) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(D) Any device which may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell which, when so restored, is a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C) inclusive.
(E) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C) inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive, can be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

[OCArmory]

What about if it was an AOW??????

[Biker Buzz]

Here is the CA law that defines the Taurus Judge as a SBS.


Penal Code 12020
(c)(1) As used in this section, a "short-barreled shotgun" means any of the following:
(A) A firearm which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell and having a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(B) A firearm which has an overall length of less than 26 inches and which is designed or redesigned to fire a fixed shotgun shell.
(C) Any weapon made from a shotgun (whether by alteration, modification, or otherwise) if that weapon, as modified, has an overall length of less than 26 inches or a barrel or barrels of less than 18 inches in length.
(D) Any device which may be readily restored to fire a fixed shotgun shell which, when so restored, is a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C) inclusive.
(E) Any part, or combination of parts, designed and intended to convert a device into a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C) inclusive, or any combination of parts from which a device defined in subparagraphs (A) to (C), inclusive, can be readily assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person.

Ya know, Kommiefornia is just one big downer! Spokane here I come...2 years!

[Biker Buzz]

AOW?

What about if it was an AOW??????

[EOD Guy]

What about if it was an AOW??????

It doesn't meet the definition. As far as the Feds are concerned, it's just another revolver.

[OCArmory]

Technically a manufacturer could manufacture it as an AOW. Get a vertical grip that attaches via any means. Then pay your $5 tax stamp and wait a little bit.The one part where I am stumped is would it always have to stay in an AOW configuration or could it be switch back and forth. It technically is a registered AOW even if it doesn't have any AOW features sometimes. I liken it to some who has their AR pistol registered as an AOW so they can put a vertical foregrip on it. They can put it on or take it off at will, but it is still a registered AOW and exempt from California's SBS laws. Just thinking out loud.
Mike

[CAL.BAR]

What about if it was an AOW??????

No. AOW doesn't trump the 12276 et seq (the AW laws) Any shotgun with a cylindrical feeding device (i.e. revolver) is defined as an assault weapon.

So you have to defeat the AW laws (i.e. active duty LE with captain's letter) Then you have to deal with the SBS issue (probably the same way w/ the letter)

[ke6guj]

What about if it was an AOW??????

If it was made into an AOW configuration, it might be legal in CA. The Roster still applies though, so can it be made single-action?

It doesn't meet the definition. As far as the Feds are concerned, it's just another revolver.

correct, as shipped, it is not an AOW, but it could be made into an AOW.

Technically a manufacturer could manufacture it as an AOW. Get a vertical grip that attaches via any means. Then pay your $5 tax stamp and wait a little bit.The one part where I am stumped is would it always have to stay in an AOW configuration or could it be switch back and forth. It technically is a registered AOW even if it doesn't have any AOW features sometimes. I liken it to some who has their AR pistol registered as an AOW so they can put a vertical foregrip on it. They can put it on or take it off at will, but it is still a registered AOW and exempt from California's SBS laws. Just thinking out loud.
Mike

correct. I've thought about that. I dunno if the 12020(b)(8) only applies if it is actually in an AOW configuration, or if the AOW registration is good enough to cover it when the VFG is removed. Or, you could have it rebarrelled with a smoothbore barrel. That would make it an AOW as well.

No. AOW doesn't trump the 12276 et seq (the AW laws) Any shotgun with a cylindrical feeding device (i.e. revolver) is defined as an assault weapon.

So you have to defeat the AW laws (i.e. active duty LE with captain's letter) Then you have to deal with the SBS issue (probably the same way w/ the letter)

Its not a shotgun, so the Shotgun AW regs should not apply to it. CA's definition of a shotgun requires it to have been designed to be fired from the shoulder.

[foxtrotuniformlima]

Seems to me if they sell handgun ammo for it it is a handgun.

http://www.federalpremium.com/products/details/shotshell.aspx?id=847

[ke6guj]

Seems to me if they sell handgun ammo for it it is a handgun.



http://www.federalpremium.com/produc...ll.aspx?id=847

really, the fact that some third party labels a product for "handguns" legally makes the firearm in question a handgun?

besides, nobody has said that the Judge isn't an handgun, but that it is also an SBS in CA.