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  • parcours
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2008
    • 1441

    California: Proof of Residency

    I'm hoping I get some clarification on the what is considered "proof".

    If we look at the California Firearms laws from 2007 we find this:

    California Residency Requirement
    No firearms dealer may deliver a handgun unless the intended recipient presents satisfactory documentation indicating that he or she is a California resident. Satisfactory documentation includes a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice


    My question revolves around the use of a California issued CCW as proof of residency. If one has a California CCW I know you are exempt from the HSC through the X44 exemption. Does not the CCW also exclude the "utility bill", "DMV" requirement seeing how it is it's a Govn't issued ID? Doesn't "or other evidence of residency as permitted by the DOJ" allow for a Ca. issued CCW to be used?

    There's more to this story and I'll explain when I get supported answers.

    I think I found what I was looking for: Check out the underlined section below:

    This comes from: Chapter 4, Title 11, Division 5, Evidence of Residency Documentation

    d. "Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice" means either of the following: 1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following: A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form. B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto. 2. A valid peace officer credential issued by a California law enforcement agency to an active, reserve, or retired peace officer. Note: Authority cited: Section 12071, Penal Code. Reference: Sections 12071 and 12072, Penal Code.
    Last edited by parcours; 01-08-2010, 7:48 PM.
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    ke6guj
    Moderator
    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
    • Nov 2003
    • 23725

    Here is CADOJ's regulations on POR, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter4.pdf

    here is where that CA CCW (and out-of-state non-resident CCWs) should work as POR.

    d. "Other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice" means either of the following:
    1. A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
    A. The individual's current residential address as declared on the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) form.
    B. The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
    Jack



    Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

    No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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    • #3
      gotgunz
      Senior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 1972

      Originally posted by ke6guj
      Here is CADOJ's regulations on POR, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter4.pdf

      here is where that CA CCW should work as POR.
      This is all I have ever used to prove residency.

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      • #4
        parcours
        Senior Member
        • Mar 2008
        • 1441

        You know when carefully read section d1: A current government issued (city, county, special district, state or federal) license, permit or registration, other than a CDL or CIC that has a specified expiration date or period of validity.

        There's no mention of the government issued license, permit, etc having to be from California.... So does this mean that a Utah CCW, government issued permit showing the individuals name and California address is valid as a California POR?


        Interesting.....

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        • #5
          ke6guj
          Moderator
          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Nov 2003
          • 23725

          Originally posted by parcours
          You know when carefully read section d1: A current government issued (city, county, special district, state or federal) license, permit or registration, other than a CDL or CIC that has a specified expiration date or period of validity.

          There's no mention of the government issued license, permit, etc having to be from California.... So does this mean that a Utah CCW, government issued permit showing the individuals name and California address is valid as a California POR?


          Interesting.....
          Yes, per the regs, it should. Now, whether your FFL will accept it, and more importantly, will a CADOJ inspector accept it during an audit ....
          Jack



          Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

          No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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          • #6
            CenterX
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2008
            • 1721

            All depends on the FFL. Some do and many don't.
            CA auto registration is accepted by most, provided the address on the registration matches your CA ID, which some FFLs stress needs to be a street also.
            Ask them and see what they have for a store policy.
            Last edited by CenterX; 01-08-2010, 10:11 PM. Reason: rearranged
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            • #7
              ZirconJohn
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              • Sep 2007
              • 10373

              California CCW 'valid dates' are accepted as POR.

              Out-of-State CCW are not.

              However, please do check with your FFL Dealer prior to making the trek...,

              You know what I mean... right?
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              • #8
                ke6guj
                Moderator
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Nov 2003
                • 23725

                Originally posted by zirconjohn
                California CCW 'valid dates' are accepted as POR.

                Out-of-State CCW are not.

                However, please do check with your FFL Dealer prior to making the trek...,

                You know what I mean... right?
                why isn't it? Is it not a "A current government issued (state) license/ permit that has a specified expiration date or period of validity". I don't see where the regs say that only the only state that is acceptable is CA.

                Did CADOJ tell you that POR issued from other states is not vaild? In writing or verbally?
                Jack



                Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                • #9
                  tenpercentfirearms
                  Vendor/Retailer
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 13007

                  I love CCWs as they are proof of residency and HSC exemption.

                  I believe out of state CCWs will not provide HSC exemption.
                  www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                  • #10
                    TripleT
                    Member
                    • Dec 2008
                    • 348

                    Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                    I love CCWs as they are proof of residency and HSC exemption.

                    I believe out of state CCWs will not provide HSC exemption.
                    +1 For Wes again.

                    I still think the USFS woodcutting permit is the most unique approach.

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                    • #11
                      parcours
                      Senior Member
                      • Mar 2008
                      • 1441

                      OK... Let me throw this in the mix...

                      CCW: Your physical street address, name, etc.

                      CDL: PO Box...

                      CCW still provides the FFL with everything required by the DOJ? HSC exemption and POR. Keeping in mind Title 11, Div 5...

                      I say yes.

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                      • #12
                        Fissssh
                        Senior Member
                        • Mar 2009
                        • 520

                        My CDL has my PO Box #. The last handgun purchase they used my car registration that shows physical address and PO Box #. Actually the last 4 purchases that was all that was required besides my DL. The handgun was about 6-8 month's ago and just recently a AR.
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                        • #13
                          tenpercentfirearms
                          Vendor/Retailer
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 13007

                          Originally posted by parcours
                          OK... Let me throw this in the mix...

                          CCW: Your physical street address, name, etc.

                          CDL: PO Box...

                          CCW still provides the FFL with everything required by the DOJ? HSC exemption and POR. Keeping in mind Title 11, Div 5...

                          I say yes.
                          CCW covers state and feds. State it covers POR and HSC. Feds it covers secondary proof of residency as a government issued document. CCW is the trump card of all trump cards. Well except law enforcement letter to waive the ten days.
                          www.tenpercentfirearms.com was open from 2005 until 2018. I now own Westside Arms.

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                          • #14
                            parcours
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2008
                            • 1441

                            Originally posted by tenpercentfirearms
                            CCW covers state and feds. State it covers POR and HSC. Feds it covers secondary proof of residency as a government issued document. CCW is the trump card of all trump cards. Well except law enforcement letter to waive the ten days.

                            I wish all FFL's were up to speed on the regs as you are...

                            Thanks!

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                            • #15
                              mtsul
                              Senior Member
                              • Apr 2009
                              • 2024

                              Can I use This?

                              Originally posted by ke6guj
                              Here is CADOJ's regulations on POR, http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/chapter4.pdf

                              here is where that CA CCW (and out-of-state non-resident CCWs) should work as POR.
                              Am I able to use my Vehicle salesperson license?
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