Stupid question: can an FFL do house calls?

[curtisfong]

Can an FFL do house calls, or does the transfer have to happen in the storefront?

[oaklander]

I'm pretty sure it has to happen at the location specified on their FFL.

I could be wrong, though.

Can an FFL do house calls, or does the transfer have to happen in the storefront?

[halifax]

Can an FFL do house calls, or does the transfer have to happen in the storefront?

The initial paperwork/submittal must be done at the address on the FFL (or a gun show) but I believe the firearm may be delivered at the buyer's residence but nowhere else (except shop and FFL's home).

[Mssr. Eleganté]

I thought delivery could only take place at the FFL's licensed premises or a legal extension of the licensed premises (like a bona fide gun show in the same State).

[freakshow10mm]

100% has to be done at the licensed premises. The license is to engage in business at the premises on the license and no where else.

EXCEPTION: FFLs may engage in business at bona fide gun shows.

There were a few FFLs in Texas that got their license revoked because they were doing house calls for transfer and delivery. Someone called, the ATF shut them down.

[freakshow10mm]

Like I stated above. The paperwork and transfer/delivery must happen at

• the licensed premises
• bona fide gun show

[geeknow]

what he said ^^^

[halifax]

Am I reading this wrong?

12071(b) A license is subject to forfeiture for a breach of any of the following prohibitions and requirements:
(1)(A) Except as provided in subparagraphs (B) and (C), the business shall be conducted only in the buildings designated in the license.
(B) A person licensed pursuant to subdivision (a) may take possession of firearms and commence preparation of registers for the sale, delivery, or transfer of firearms at gun shows or events, as defined in Section 478.100 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor, if the gun show or event is not conducted from any motorized or towed vehicle. A person conducting business pursuant to this subparagraph shall be entitled to conduct business as authorized herein at any gun show or event in the state without regard to the jurisdiction within this state that issued the license pursuant to subdivision (a), provided the person complies with (i) all applicable laws, including, but not limited to, the waiting period specified in subparagraph (A) of paragraph (3), and (ii) all applicable local laws, regulations, and fees, if any.
A person conducting business pursuant to this subparagraph shall publicly display his or her license issued pursuant to subdivision (a), or a facsimile thereof, at any gun show or event, as specified in this subparagraph.
(C) A person licensed pursuant to subdivision (a) may engage in the sale and transfer of firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, at events specified in subdivision (g) of Section 12078, subject to the prohibitions and restrictions contained in that subdivision.
A person licensed pursuant to subdivision (a) also may accept delivery of firearms other than pistols, revolvers, or other firearms capable of being concealed upon the person, outside the building designated in the license, provided the firearm is being donated for the purpose of sale or transfer at an auction or similar event specified in subdivision (g) of Section 12078.
(D) The firearm may be delivered to the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm at one of the following places:
(i) The building designated in the license.
(ii) The places specified in subparagraph (B) or (C).
(iii) The place of residence of, the fixed place of business of, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by, the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm.

[freakshow10mm]

Federal law does not allow such action, therefore the state statute is irrelevant. You wouldn't be breaking state law buy you would be breaking federal law.

[djbooya]

Am I reading this wrong?

...
(D) The firearm may be delivered to the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm at one of the following places:
(i) The building designated in the license.
(ii) The places specified in subparagraph (B) or (C).
(iii) The place of residence of, the fixed place of business of, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by, the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm.

I transferred with an FFL in the past that did all his DROS and firearm delivery at the Metcalf Range. Given that he is still around, I'm guessing it was not an issue for his audits. So if delivering to a gun range is legal (or appears to be) I don't see why you couldn't do it at someone's home.

[Mssr. Eleganté]

...So if delivering to a gun range is legal (or appears to be) I don't see why you couldn't do it at someone's home.

Here's why an FFL can't deliver firearms at a customer's home...

Maybe he has the range listed as his licensed premises. Or maybe he is using the "gun show or event" exemption to deliver guns at the range. Most shooting ranges would fall under the description "a function sponsored by any local organization, devoted to the sporting use of firearms". Or maybe he doesn't know about the Federal restrictions on where an FFL can deliver firearms.

[G17GUY]

Why you want to include a back rub with a firearms purchase?

[kemasa]

I transferred with an FFL in the past that did all his DROS and firearm delivery at the Metcalf Range. Given that he is still around, I'm guessing it was not an issue for his audits. So if delivering to a gun range is legal (or appears to be) I don't see why you couldn't do it at someone's home.

Do you know if he marked the paperwork that it did the transfer at the range? If not, there is would be hard for anyone to know about it unless it was reported or noticed by the appropriate agencies.

Many people speed on the roads, so you could say that it appears to be legal, yet sometimes people do get a ticket for speeding. Just because that person has not gotten caught yet does not mean that it is legal. It is best to look elsewhere to determine whether it is legal or not, such as the code sections posted.

[djbooya]

Do you know if he marked the paperwork that it did the transfer at the range? If not, there is would be hard for anyone to know about it unless it was reported or noticed by the appropriate agencies.

Many people speed on the roads, so you could say that it appears to be legal, yet sometimes people do get a ticket for speeding. Just because that person has not gotten caught yet does not mean that it is legal. It is best to look elsewhere to determine whether it is legal or not, such as the code sections posted.

I never cared what he did with his paperwork. I just thought it was interesting that he did it at a public shooting range. I'm guessing he has his FFL address really setup for home and doesn't want people coming to his house, which I can't blame him for. As for it being legal, I really don't care at this point. It's his business/license so if he blows it doing that it doesn't effect me any. I've since started using an FFL that was a little closer to home anyhow so I don't even know if he's still doing that or not.

[kemasa]

The point is that just because someone is doing something does not mean that it is legal or not. Perhaps his license was at the range and it was legal, perhaps it was at his home and it was not legal.

One issue is if the FFL is doing something illegal it can still affect you since when they are investigated, the scope could expand and if the firearm was not properly transferred, then there could be some issues for the buyer.