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  • #16
    freakshow10mm
    Veteran Member
    • Jun 2008
    • 3061

    Originally posted by cgseanp1
    So, it's wrong for Military guys to inquire about military discounts?
    They can inquire all they want. They will get the same answer.

    I give discounts to two classes of customers: LE agencies and wholesale.

    Wholesale by, well it's wholesale. Self explanatory.

    LE agencies I discount off my retail price to make their budget stretch farther. They are tight as it is and it helps them to save on ammo so they can spend money on other resources that are more important. Body armor, vehicle training, etc. I allow individual officers to purchase at agency pricing provided they have a letter from there department on letterhead. This is for duty training ammo, not weekend fun ammo. I supply a state LE agency bureau in Mississippi with training ammo for one of their tactical teams. The state doesn't have the budget for them this quarter to train. So the commander of the unit spend $1500 of his personal money to get some .223 and .40 ammo so his guys could train.

    Why should I give a military member a discount? Why do they deserve a discount over anyone else? It's a volunteer force.

    There's a big difference between a stateside NG wanting to buy a G17 and an in country grunt whose unit can't get him an ACOG or an extra BCG in the field. Sure I'll probably hook him up. My little bro is wearing tan right now.

    But to save money simply because you are doing something that hundreds of thousands did before you without asking for a discount? If you joined the military for the discounts, you're in the wrong line of work.

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    • #17
      chickenfried
      Calguns Addict
      • Oct 2005
      • 7160

      Why not worse you can say is no.
      Originally posted by victor1echo
      Hollywood is satan!!!!
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      • #18
        lazyworm
        Senior Member
        • Jan 2006
        • 1642

        I know you're venting... you just need thicker skin. In this economy,
        people are going to ask anyways, even though they don't expect any.
        I doubt you're going to lose any business when you say no. Just say
        "Sorry, no discount" and move on.

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        • #19
          sspen003
          Senior Member
          • May 2009
          • 1003

          I deff know where your coming from FreakShow, but you shouldnt get mad that people ask for discount. Money is tight these days and consumers are just trying to stretch every dollar they can.

          As lazy worm said, you not loosing business, and you should be happy that people are visiting your website/store. Having people know about your company is the most essential part of business.

          Dont get mad/frustrated at customers infront of customers btw. It doesnt make much sense
          "The God of War hates those who hesitate."

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          • #20
            freakshow10mm
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2008
            • 3061

            I suppose.

            I look at asking for discounts as an insult to my prices. I'm selling a case of 9mm reloads for $225. Seriously? A discount? Is my price not good enough for you? Are you too good for my prices?

            Just knee jerk I suppose.

            I'm pissed at Google Adwords. I got like 6,000 unique visitors this last 2 weeks and it cost me $250 in advertising I didn't have the money to spend .

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            • #21
              smokingloon
              Senior Member
              • Mar 2008
              • 1012

              Originally posted by freakshow10mm
              They can inquire all they want. They will get the same answer.

              I give discounts to two classes of customers: LE agencies and wholesale.

              Wholesale by, well it's wholesale. Self explanatory.

              LE agencies I discount off my retail price to make their budget stretch farther. They are tight as it is and it helps them to save on ammo so they can spend money on other resources that are more important. Body armor, vehicle training, etc. I allow individual officers to purchase at agency pricing provided they have a letter from there department on letterhead. This is for duty training ammo, not weekend fun ammo. I supply a state LE agency bureau in Mississippi with training ammo for one of their tactical teams. The state doesn't have the budget for them this quarter to train. So the commander of the unit spend $1500 of his personal money to get some .223 and .40 ammo so his guys could train.

              Why should I give a military member a discount? Why do they deserve a discount over anyone else? It's a volunteer force.


              There's a big difference between a stateside NG wanting to buy a G17 and an in country grunt whose unit can't get him an ACOG or an extra BCG in the field. Sure I'll probably hook him up. My little bro is wearing tan right now.

              But to save money simply because you are doing something that hundreds of thousands did before you without asking for a discount? If you joined the military for the discounts, you're in the wrong line of work.
              I understand that you are just venting but I just want to point out that LE is also voluntary. At least with LE, you can resign whenever you please without much recourse. Enlisted military members do not have that option. Plus most of their gear is from the lowest bidder and often difficult to get a letter head from their supervisor for pretty much any gear that isn't issued.

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              • #22
                Rule .308
                Veteran Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 2531

                Being as I run my own business too I know a guy needs to vent about this crap from time to time. If it is not cheap grinding customers trying to devaluate your skills and time it is the government that wants you to collect their sales tax for free and then you get to spend your time and money doing it and everytime someone swipes a card you loose 2-3% on the whole ticket, including the sales tax!!! Burns my ***** bad.

                Military? My heart goes out to them, they've made the conscious decision to protect this country, take the fight to them so they are not over here. Are they volunteer? Not like your typical LEO is.

                If there is a margin in there and you can afford it, do so, if not then do not.

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                • #23
                  Mssr. Eleganté
                  Blue Blaze Irregular
                  CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 10401

                  So many places offer discounts now to so many groups and for so many different reasons that a buyer is going to feel like a real chump if he doesn't at least ask and it turns out you would have given him a discount. Just smile and say "Sorry, but I offer the same low prices to everybody." Your customers don't know how you were raised. They don't know that you consider it offensive to ask for a discount. I used to be embarrassed to haggle on prices at gun shows. Then one of my friends made fun of me for always paying the asking price. So I started making counter offers of 20% below asking price and most of the time the sellers either agree or offer to drop the price by 10%. It's the way business has been done for 10,000 years. Get over it or get out of the retail business.
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                  • #24
                    freakshow10mm
                    Veteran Member
                    • Jun 2008
                    • 3061

                    Originally posted by smokingloon
                    I understand that you are just venting but I just want to point out that LE is also voluntary. At least with LE, you can resign whenever you please without much recourse. Enlisted military members do not have that option. Plus most of their gear is from the lowest bidder and often difficult to get a letter head from their supervisor for pretty much any gear that isn't issued.
                    The military has a much larger budget than a small village PD. The military pretty much gets what it wants.

                    LE agencies have very strict budgets which are often in the red.

                    The military gets all the ammo they want. LE gets what they can when they can get it.

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                    • #25
                      sspen003
                      Senior Member
                      • May 2009
                      • 1003

                      Originally posted by freakshow10mm
                      The military has a much larger budget than a small village PD. The military pretty much gets what it wants.

                      LE agencies have very strict budgets which are often in the red.

                      The military gets all the ammo they want. LE gets what they can when they can get it.
                      Hmm law enforcement buy police cars, handguns, a few assault rifles, shotguns, and maybe a helicopter.

                      The military buy Assualt rifles by the millions, handguns, shotguns, humvees, tanks, LAV's, Badass Helicopters, Jets, battleships, carriers, transport ships and planes.. I know I am missing a million other things but you get the picture

                      LE is also voluntary, I dont know where you got that notion from
                      The difference is Law Enforcement get paid much more than your average soldier, so it is extremely important the the average soldier to stretch his dollar too.

                      A second lieutenant in the Marines that just graduated from college makes about 40 Grand a year... Thats not easy to stretch. Military personnel dont do it for the money, but its nice when they get a helping hand

                      Now I dont think someone is going to go home a cry about not getting 10% off in your store, but dont discredit our militiary
                      Last edited by sspen003; 10-23-2009, 9:40 AM.
                      "The God of War hates those who hesitate."

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                      • #26
                        chickenfried
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 7160

                        your business you make the rules. But giving a leo discount but none to the military is a crappy policy.
                        Originally posted by victor1echo
                        Hollywood is satan!!!!
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                        • #27
                          BONECUTTER
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2007
                          • 2263

                          Originally posted by lazyworm
                          In this economy,
                          people are going to ask anyways, even though they don't expect any.
                          I don't care when people ask for discounts but, It bugs me when people using the ecomomy as an excuse. I hear it all the time from people I want to slap. If your hurting that bad, maybe you shouldn't being buying guns/ACOG's/surefires/ect. I have people buy $2000.00 rifles and then ask for a discount because they have been unemployeed for the last few months. Really???

                          I am by no means rich. I have been working two jobs for the last few years so that I can afford the stuff I buy.
                          Last edited by BONECUTTER; 10-23-2009, 4:23 PM. Reason: used wrong word, thanks lazyworm

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                          • #28
                            glockfu
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2006
                            • 601

                            What freakshow is saying is a reasonable policy... hes not discrediting the military or giving LE privaleges over the military. He already stated that he doesnt give discount to LE for personal ammo just like he doesnt do it for military. The only LE discount he gives is for LE purposes.

                            But as everyone else is saying... Don't get bent outa shape when people ask for a discount. In this day, Im actually shocked when they don't! I sure do... If you don't ask, you won't recieve.

                            Now can I can I get a discount? =)
                            Last edited by glockfu; 10-23-2009, 10:29 AM.

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                            • #29
                              cgseanp1
                              Veteran Member
                              • Dec 2008
                              • 4651

                              Originally posted by freakshow10mm
                              They can inquire all they want. They will get the same answer.

                              I give discounts to two classes of customers: LE agencies and wholesale.

                              Wholesale by, well it's wholesale. Self explanatory.

                              LE agencies I discount off my retail price to make their budget stretch farther. They are tight as it is and it helps them to save on ammo so they can spend money on other resources that are more important. Body armor, vehicle training, etc. I allow individual officers to purchase at agency pricing provided they have a letter from there department on letterhead. This is for duty training ammo, not weekend fun ammo. I supply a state LE agency bureau in Mississippi with training ammo for one of their tactical teams. The state doesn't have the budget for them this quarter to train. So the commander of the unit spend $1500 of his personal money to get some .223 and .40 ammo so his guys could train.

                              Why should I give a military member a discount? Why do they deserve a discount over anyone else? It's a volunteer force.

                              There's a big difference between a stateside NG wanting to buy a G17 and an in country grunt whose unit can't get him an ACOG or an extra BCG in the field. Sure I'll probably hook him up. My little bro is wearing tan right now.

                              But to save money simply because you are doing something that hundreds of thousands did before you without asking for a discount? If you joined the military for the discounts, you're in the wrong line of work.
                              Hmm... let's see.. Why would military deserve a discount over anyone else? I guess they don't.. But, as you know, military members VOLUNTEERED to serve.. They volunteered to protect YOUR freedoms. That's why most people offer Military and LE discount.. They are grateful. So whatever.. if you can't afford, don't want to, or think your prices are already low enough, then fine. But don't freaking cry about it when some military guy making 2k a month asks about a military discount.

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                              • #30
                                freakshow10mm
                                Veteran Member
                                • Jun 2008
                                • 3061

                                Originally posted by sspen003
                                A second lieutenant in the Marines that just graduated from college makes about 40 Grand a year... Thats not easy to stretch. Military personnel dont do it for the money, but its nice when they get a helping hand
                                Military also lives on base or gets a housing allowance giving them more free money to spend.

                                Now I dont think someone is going to go home a cry about not getting 10% off in your store, but dont discredit our militiary
                                I never once discredited our military.

                                Originally posted by chickenfried
                                your business you make the rules. But giving a leo discount but none to the military is a crappy policy.
                                Notice the LE discount is for ammunition used on duty. If the military bought ammo from me they would be priced (bid) at the same price as I sell to LE.

                                Originally posted by glockfu
                                What freakshow is saying is a reasonable policy... hes not discrediting the military or giving LE privaleges over the military. He already stated that he doesnt give discount to LE for personal ammo just like he doesnt do it for military. The only LE discount he gives is for LE purposes.
                                Thank you for understanding it.

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