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  • biker777
    Senior Member
    • Jul 2009
    • 1408

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    Josh3239
    Calguns Addict
    • Dec 2006
    • 9191

    Here is a helpful website for California 03 FFLs: https://www.empirearms.com/cal-ffl.htm. The C&R really shines for going to out-of-state gun shows and the discounts at certain online stores.

    Just request the paperwork from the ATF (can take a long time), fill in it, drop in a check for $20 or something, and mail it out. I got my C&R in about 2 weeks, waited months for the application though. You are required to send a copy of the application to your CLEO though he has no say in the matter. To be honest, I am a fan of Garands and Carbines but the only reason I got my C&R is for the dealer discounts. I get some nice discounts at Spyder Firearms (.510 DTC rifles), Midway USA and Spike's Tactical. There are others but these are the only places I really shop at, though my C&R is on file at Brownells and AIM Surplus.

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    • #3
      cryoguy
      Senior Member
      • Jul 2009
      • 865

      does 03FFLs still have to DROS a C&R gun from out of state and interstate buys from dealers?
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      • #4
        ke6guj
        Moderator
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Nov 2003
        • 23725

        an 03FFL can purchase any C&R firearm while physically out-of-state. He can bring back any CA-legal C&R firearms. Any C&R handguns must registered with CADOJ by sending in a specific form (and $19 per handgun).

        He can mail/internet order any CA-legal C&R long gun that is over 50-years old and have it shipped directly to his home. No instate dealer needed, no DROS.
        Jack



        Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

        No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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        • #5
          Double_D
          Senior Member
          • Dec 2008
          • 774

          If I were to get a C&R FFL, would ATF agents make routine visits to my home to check it out?

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          • #6
            ke6guj
            Moderator
            CGN Contributor - Lifetime
            • Nov 2003
            • 23725

            many/most C&R FFL'ers never have an ATF inspection, but IIRC, by law, they are able to schedule one inspection per year, and you can have the inspection performed at the ATF office, instead of your home.
            Jack



            Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

            No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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            • #7
              himurax13
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 3895

              How does a transfer work if you wanted to buy a C & R long gun from another private party in California?
              Originally posted by Bumslie
              HK - the best 600 dollar gun, 900 dollars can buy.
              Originally posted by Sleighter
              Getting legal advice from a gun salesman, is like getting medical advice from a janitor at a hospital. Both make about the same per hour and both prove that being around something all day doesn't make you an expert.

              Lifetime NRA member.

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              • #8
                Mssr. Eleganté
                Blue Blaze Irregular
                CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                • Oct 2005
                • 10401

                Originally posted by himurax13
                How does a transfer work if you wanted to buy a C & R long gun from another private party in California?
                There are about 9 different variations on this kind of transfer, depending on the age of the C&R long gun, the licensed status of the buyer or seller, and the State of residence of the buyer or seller. Each one has slightly different requirements. We would need more specifics on the particular transaction to tell you how it would work.

                Here's one example...

                If neither private party has a C&R FFL and the C&R long gun is at least 50 years old and both parties are California residents then the seller just needs to make sure the buyer is at least 18 and is a California resident. The seller also can't have reason to believe that the buyer is a prohibited person. Nothing else is required.
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                • #9
                  himurax13
                  Veteran Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 3895

                  How about this scenario. Bothe the buyer and seller are 21+ years old and are both residents of California. Only the buyer has an 03 C&R FFL license. The buyer picks up the 50+ year old long gun from the seller.
                  Originally posted by Bumslie
                  HK - the best 600 dollar gun, 900 dollars can buy.
                  Originally posted by Sleighter
                  Getting legal advice from a gun salesman, is like getting medical advice from a janitor at a hospital. Both make about the same per hour and both prove that being around something all day doesn't make you an expert.

                  Lifetime NRA member.

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                  • #10
                    ke6guj
                    Moderator
                    CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                    • Nov 2003
                    • 23725

                    ok, in that situation, the seller would need to provide to the buyer his full name, address, and CA ID/DL# for the buyer to enter into his bound book. This is required under federal law because the buyer is an 03.

                    Cash-and-carry after that.
                    Jack



                    Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                    No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                    • #11
                      Mssr. Eleganté
                      Blue Blaze Irregular
                      CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 10401

                      Originally posted by ke6guj
                      ok, in that situation, the seller would need to provide to the buyer his full name, address, and CA ID/DL# for the buyer to enter into his bound book. This is required under federal law because the buyer is an 03.

                      Cash-and-carry after that.
                      One small correction...In this situation the seller would only need to provide the buyer with his name and address. The ID# only comes into play if an 03 FFL is disposing of a C&R firearm to an unlicensed individual.
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                      • #12
                        ke6guj
                        Moderator
                        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                        • Nov 2003
                        • 23725

                        thanks for the correction.
                        Jack



                        Do you want an AOW or C&R SBS/SBR in CA?

                        No posts of mine are to be construed as legal advice, which can only be given by a lawyer.

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                        • #13
                          kemasa
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 10706

                          While this is mentioned in a link, I think it should also be directly mentioned:

                          It is also important to mention that if the C&R FFL has a CA DOJ COE, then they are exempt from the waiting period for C&R handguns or longguns (which they could get directly). In addition, they are exempt from the one gun per month for any handguns.
                          Kemasa.
                          False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                          Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                          Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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                          • #14
                            zinfull
                            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                            CGN Contributor
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 2733

                            Also if AB962 is not vetoed he is exempt from the mail order restriction on ammo.

                            jerry

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                            • #15
                              himurax13
                              Veteran Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 3895

                              Originally posted by zinfull
                              Also if AB962 is not vetoed he is exempt from the mail order restriction on ammo.

                              jerry
                              Really, any ammo? Also if I do not want to waste money on the COE and I purchased say about 3 C&R handguns from out of state, will I be subject to the one gun per 30 day nonsense?
                              Originally posted by Bumslie
                              HK - the best 600 dollar gun, 900 dollars can buy.
                              Originally posted by Sleighter
                              Getting legal advice from a gun salesman, is like getting medical advice from a janitor at a hospital. Both make about the same per hour and both prove that being around something all day doesn't make you an expert.

                              Lifetime NRA member.

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