$26 DROS

[halifax]

More than once on CGN I've seen dealers charging DROS fees > $25. Did I miss the memo?

[jmarti2913]

I'm no FFL, but I thought the law was a maximum profit of $10 on a dros. So the state gets $25 in fees and you as the dealer can turn a profit of no more than $10=$35 max total.

[halifax]

I'm talking about the DROS fee, not the dealer fee. But thanks.

[Darklyte27]

theres transfer DROS as if you bought from another state and had it shipped to your FFL to transfer to you. DROS 25$ dealer may charge anything on top of that 25$
Most dealers do 75-100$
The cheapest i seen was 50$ in sacramento but is now 60$. stll a fair price.

Private party transfer, I am selling a gun to you directly, 25$ dros, 10$ max for the FFL.

[jmarti2913]

Gotcha...sorry about that. Well, the answer to your question is above my pay grade

I'm talking about the DROS fee, not the dealer fee. But thanks.

[halifax]

OK. Let me rephrase my question. The fee the State of CA charges for doing the background check is $25 as far as I know. Yet, I have seen dealers here in their For Sale threads quote $price of gun + xxx% Sales Tax + $26 DROS. I can't figure out where the extra dollar comes from on the DROS fee.

Isn't the CA DROS fee (NOT dealer fee):

$19(DROS Fee) + $5(Safety & Enforcement Fee) + $1(Safety Training Fee) = $25 total?

[ke6guj]

It sounds like they can't add right, or might be including another fee and hiding it in the "DROS fee". As you mentioned, it is $19+$1+$5=$25. Anything more than that must be listed as a dealer fee.

What fees can I charge in addition to the DROS?
In addition to the State's $19.00 DROS fee, you must also charge a $1.00 Firearms Safety Testing fee and a $5.00 Safety and Enforcement fee. If the transaction being processed is a dealer sale, consignment return, or return from pawn, you may impose other charges as long as this amount is clearly shown as a "dealer fee" and not misrepresented as a State fee.

(PC sections 12071(b)(11), (12))

And some dealers do charge more than $25 total for a dealer sale. For instance, Turners adds a $5 "Turners handling fee" and I do recall a dealer on CG that charges an extra $35 "transfer fee" for items purchased out of his inventory.

[halifax]

It sounds like they can't add right, or might be including another fee and hiding it in the "DROS fee". As you mentioned, it is $19+$1+$5=$25. Anything more than that must be listed as a dealer fee.


And some dealers do charge more than $25 total for a dealer sale. For instance, Turners adds a $5 "Turners handling fee" and I do recall a dealer on CG that charges an extra $35 "transfer fee" for items purchased out of his inventory.

Thanks. I thought they might be hiding additional fees as state fees. I don't care if a shop wants to charge extra but misrepresenting it as a state mandated fee is dishonest and illegal.

$35 !! Really?

[ke6guj]

$35 !! Really?

yup, http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ghlight=rbetts

[halifax]

As long as he's up front with it, I guess.

I think I'll stick to quoting the out-the-door price. No ambiguity there for people shopping around.

[kemasa]

The DROS fee information is available from the CA DOJ website (below).

There are some FFLs who include the FFL fee with the sale of a firearm which is in inventory, but they don't have to, kind of like all the fees when you buy a vehicle.

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs.php#8

13. How much is the Dealer's Record of Sale (DROS) fee?

The State's DROS fee is $19.00 which covers the costs of the background checks and transfer registry. There is also a required $1.00 Firearms Safety Testing fee and a $5.00 Safety and Enforcement fee. If the transaction being processed is a dealer sale, consignment return, or return from pawn, the dealer may impose other charges as long as this amount is clearly shown as a "dealer fee" and not misrepresented as a state fee. In the event of a private party transfer, the firearms dealer may additionally charge a fee of $10 per firearm transferred.

When settling on the purchase price of a firearm and before completing the transaction, you may want to ask the dealer to disclose and identify any and all fees he/she is charging to complete the transaction.

(PC Sections 12076, 12082, and 12806)

http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dlrfaqs.php#17G

17. What fees can I charge in addition to the DROS?

In addition to the State's $19.00 DROS fee, you must also charge a $1.00 Firearms Safety Testing fee and a $5.00 Safety and Enforcement fee. If the transaction being processed is a dealer sale, consignment return, or return from pawn, you may impose other charges as long as this amount is clearly shown as a "dealer fee" and not misrepresented as a State fee.

(PC sections 12071(b)(11), (12))

[halifax]

Does this mean anything charged over $36 $35 is illegal on a PPT when both parties show up at the dealer?

Yes

[kemasa]

Well, almost. If the FFL finds the buyer and/or gets involved with the sales price, then sales tax has to be collected. On a normal PPT, it is limited to $35 ($25 + $10 and has to be listed as that, not just $35). Consignment sales can be done as a PPT, but sales tax has to be collected.

[Matt@EntrepriseArms]

The one thing I could never understand is the "show fee" charged on PPTs at gunshows.

As far as I understand it, the max you can charge for a PPT is $35.00 for one firearm, and $10 for each additional firearm, unless the firearms are handguns which requires a seperate DROS for each. You get a $4 discount on additional handguns (PPT), so the first one is $35, and each additional handgun is $31.

However, I always see people doing transfers charging a "show fee" of $50 or so, in addition to the PPT charge. Maybe they are using it as a "storage fee," or something like that, but why not just call it so? Even so, is it legal?

I always wondered why the ATF & DOJ never seems to get involved in stuff like that.

[halifax]

The one thing I could never understand is the "show fee" charged on PPTs at gunshows.

As far as I understand it, the max you can charge for a PPT is $35.00 for one firearm, and $10 for each additional firearm, unless the firearms are handguns which requires a seperate DROS for each. You get a $4 discount on additional handguns (PPT), so the first one is $35, and each additional handgun is $31.

However, I always see people doing transfers charging a "show fee" of $50 or so, in addition to the PPT charge. Maybe they are using it as a "storage fee," or something like that, but why not just call it so? Even so, is it legal?

I always wondered why the ATF & DOJ never seems to get involved in stuff like that.

Wow, I guess I'm missing out. I do shows occasionally but never thought it exempted me from following the law.