Moving back to CA and selling off-roster firearms

[S2K ON 2]

Hey CGN. I've been researching this for a few weeks now and keep finding different answers. I'll try to make it short.

Friend moved back to CA from MO and brought a few handguns with him. He already got his physical CA Real ID and completed the CFARS registration online at the FFL that received his handguns (but still has not received any confirmation in regards to that).

Does he have to wait for CFARS to send him confirmation of the registration before he can transfer, or can he transfer as any other PPT, as long as both parties have CA Real ID?

I have some shops saying that he needs to receive some type of confirmation from CFARS before he can transfer.
Other shops and information I've read, say that as long as he has a CA Real ID, he's good to go.

From reading PC 27560, nothing mentions CFARS having to be completed for transfers to be good to go. It just says:

(1) Forward by prepaid mail or deliver in person to the Department of Justice, a report prescribed by the department including information concerning that individual and a description of the firearm in question. [Which I'm assuming is to register on CFARS]

(2) Sell or transfer the firearm in accordance with the provisions of Section 27545 or in accordance with the provisions of an exemption from Section 27545. [Meaning transfers have to go through an FFL for the transfer]

So, who's correct? Please advise!

[9Cal_OC]

He can sell them now. Does not need to wait for confirmation.

[Librarian]

No acknowledgement from CA-DOJ is required or expected. Sell away!

[S2K ON 2]

Thank you, gentlemen!

[CalifEd]

Ok, I'll ask.
Where is he, what does he have and when can we see the ads?

[S2K ON 2]

Ok, I'll ask.
Where is he, what does he have and when can we see the ads?

Nothing that interesting. A 43x and a 365x macro.

[S2K ON 2]

I've also read about this $19 fee. He never saw anything asking to pay for it. Is he missing anything that could cause an issue?

[taperxz]

I've also read about this $19 fee. He never saw anything asking to pay for it. Is he missing anything that could cause an issue?

If he went onto CFARS and didn?t check out (pay the $19) he didn?t register his guns

[flyer898]

I do not think there would be a problem if he just sold them without bothering with CFARS. The statute requires registration wthin 60 days of becoming a CA resident; it does not preclude sales during that 60 day window.

[P5Ret]

Friend moved back to CA from MO and brought a few handguns with him. He already got his physical CA Real ID and completed the CFARS registration online at the FFL that received his handguns (but still has not received any confirmation in regards to that).

This is a bit confusing. Did he physically bring the guns back or were they sent to an FFL? I'm not sure how an FFL would receive the guns and not enter them into their books, then process them out without doing a DROS.

Never mind that the FFL would not be able to process the DROS for a non-exempt person.

[S2K ON 2]

If he went onto CFARS and didn?t check out (pay the $19) he didn?t register his guns

EDIT: It was pending in the cart. All paid for.

I do not think there would be a problem if he just sold them without bothering with CFARS. The statute requires registration wthin 60 days of becoming a CA resident; it does not preclude sales during that 60 day window.

He received his physical CA Real ID card a few days after his 60-day window. There were some issues with his MO car registration, which caused the delay.

This is a bit confusing. Did he physically bring the guns back or were they sent to an FFL? I'm not sure how an FFL would receive the guns and not enter them into their books, then process them out without doing a DROS.

Never mind that the FFL would not be able to process the DROS for a non-exempt person.

The firearms were shipped from an FFL in MO to an FFL in CA. He did the CFARS registration at the CA FFL and once completed, he was able to take them out of the CA FFL. But based on taperxz's comment, it looks like it wasn't registered at all since he didn't pay the $19.

Looks like things got a little more complicated?

[taperxz]

EDIT: It was pending in the cart. All paid for.



He received his physical CA Real ID card a few days after his 60-day window. There were some issues with his MO car registration, which caused the delay.



The firearms were shipped from an FFL in MO to an FFL in CA. He did the CFARS registration at the CA FFL and once completed, he was able to take them out of the CA FFL. But based on taperxz's comment, it looks like it wasn't registered at all since he didn't pay the $19.

Looks like things got a little more complicated?

If he got them from a CA FFL they are already registered. I can?t see an FFL just handing him guns without doing DROS. The dealer would lose his license.

[taperxz]

Nothing that interesting. A 43x and a 365x macro.

Now things are more interesting. How did a dealer DROS these guns since they?re off roster and run through a CA FFL?

The guy that moved back to CA needed to bring them into the state himself.

[S2K ON 2]

Now things are more interesting. How did a dealer DROS these guns since they?re off roster and run through a CA FFL?

The guy that moved back to CA needed to bring them into the state himself.

They were just shipped instead of being brought in himself. They weren't DROS'ed from what I know.

I think when I said "he was able to take them out of the FFL", it sounded like he DROS'ed them. But the FFL, as far as I know, just accepted the shipment he made from MO. Since he cannot receive the firearms at his home in CA, he had them sent to an FFL close to his home.

[CSACANNONEER]

They were just shipped instead of being brought in himself. They weren't DROS'ed from what I know.

I think when I said "he was able to take them out of the FFL", it sounded like he DROS'ed them. But the FFL, as far as I know, just accepted the shipment he made from MO. Since he cannot receive the firearms at his home in CA, he had them sent to an FFL close to his home.

Why couldn't he receive a firearms shipment at his CA residents?