Transfer A Zpap92 pistol into CA in Rifle Configuration?

[Eichman]

Can a ZpapM92 pistol, converted into rifle Configuration with a fixed stock and Permanently attached muzzle device making the barrel length 16 inches be transferred into California as a rifle, or will DOJ have a problem? A couple of FFLs told me they would put it through as a rifle no problem. Just don?t know if DOJ will say anything because it is on a Pistol receiver. Anybody did it yet?

[Quiet]

As long as it is made into a CA legal rifle before it enters CA, CA DOJ has no issues with it.

This has been done in the past for AK style firearms and MP5 style firearms.

CA legal semi-auto centerfire rifle requires:
1. Barrel length of 16" or greater. [PC 17170(a)]
2. Overall length of 30" or greater. [PC 30515(a)(3)]
3. Must operate utilizing a fixed 10 or less round magazine [PC 30515(a)(2)] or must not have any restricted features [PC 30515(a)(1)].

When it is transferred through a CA FFL dealer, the CA DROS will report it as a rifle.

While in CA...
Once it is made into a rifle, the firearm can not be legally made back into a pistol. Because doing so will cause the firearm to be considered an illegal SBR (weapon made from a rifle). [PC 17170(c)]

[Eichman]

Just to be clear while being compliant, It will still be allowed in the state on its original pistol receiver? It doesn’t need to be rebuilt onto a Receiver Serialized as a rifle? Just want to make sure.

[taperxz]

Just to be clear while being compliant, It will still be allowed in the state on its original pistol receiver? It doesn?t need to be rebuilt onto a Receiver Serialized as a rifle? Just want to make sure.

No, once it?s a rifle, it?s a rifle. It can?t ever be a pistol.

[Eichman]

Ok. Thank you all.

[Eichman]

Just spoke to A gun store Sportmans Arms in Calfornia, they said if a Gun started off as a Pistol on its original receiver it will always be a pistol regardless of conversion or compliance, if it’s entering California it will need to be rebuilt on a new receiver as a rifle before it comes in.

[ASD1]

Sportmans Arms in Calfornia, they said if a Gun started off as a Pistol on its original receiver it will always be a pistol regardless of conversion or compliance, if it?s entering California it will need to be rebuilt on a new receiver as a rifle before it comes in.

Find a better store.

[taperxz]

Just spoke to A gun store Sportmans Arms in Calfornia, they said if a Gun started off as a Pistol on its original receiver it will always be a pistol regardless of conversion or compliance, if it?s entering California it will need to be rebuilt on a new receiver as a rifle before it comes in.

They are incorrect.
You can make a rifle out of a pistol but once it?s a rifle it?s always a rifle. If you go back, ATF says you?ve made an SBR.

[EBR Works]

Also;

922r compliance parts must be installed by whatever FFL is converting from pistol to rifle, if the pistol is not U.S.made.

If the pistol has ever been out of possession of a licensee, it must be engraved with the company name, city and state of the FFL doing the conversion. If the firearm is newly manufactured and never been transferred to a non-licensee, no engraving required and the converting FFL must adopt the existing markings. This is the most recent requirement from ATF and was discussed at our last ATF inspection in May of this year.

Once converted to a rifle, specifically in California, it cannot be made into a pistol again, as it would be violation of California law. If not inside California, it can be converted back to a pistol.

[Eichman]

CA DOJ is the issue.

[EBR Works]

CA DOJ is the issue.

CADOJ is not an issue. You're confusing single shot pistol requirements for a virgin receiver (never semi-auto) with this. Not applicable.

We have done this process many times and the resulting pistol to rifle conversion sent to CA dealers for transfer with no issues at all as long as it's not in SBR or AW configuration or a named AW.