$100 Storage Fee in Addition to PPT Fee?

[taperxz]

What store are you representing with your we, just asking so I make sure to never break the threshold.
FFLs at the time supported the mandatory BGC for PPT in California because they thought it would force customers into their stores. I typically buy stuff when I'm doing a PPT, and also go to the same FFL most times when I want to buy a gun from inventory. That said it's not a requirement for service, but keep taking those notes.

Wow, I?m glad you bought your one gun at the place you did 2 PPTs
Oh, BTW, if you WERE. In my area and didn’t want to cross our threshold, fine! The other gun stores in the area either have a full safe or give you appointments 3 months out. Enjoy not patronizing my establishment

[sass2924]

FFLs at the time supported the mandatory BGC for PPT in California because they thought it would force customers into their stores.

Please supply more info about this. All FFL's, some FFL's etc. I've seen it brought up many times and would like something more than a statement.

[taperxz]

Please supply more info about this. All FFL's, some FFL's etc. I've seen it brought up many times and would like something more than a statement.

It?s kind of true. It was also implemented 25 years ago at the still $10 rate.

Minimum wage at the time was $4.25 it’s now $15.50. We pay our employees a lot more than that. Wage doesn’t even factor in SS, UE or other tax like workers comp.

[Dvrjon]

Please supply more info about this. All FFL's, some FFL's etc. I've seen it brought up many times and would like something more than a statement.

See the link at the bottom of Post 40.

[Nate]

That?s correct. It does end up being more profitable to stock the shelves that to do a PPT. The numbers absolutely prove this.

I have multiple stores and crunch the numbers. I?m right regardless of how you want to spend my money.

We do PPTs all the time for the proper fee and no storage charges. I don?t have to pretend it?s profitable to do also. It?s a loss, I don?t consider it a lost leader, they are a waste of time and money 85% of the time.

Dumbest thing I ever heard! Typical small business mentality. Make sure the shelves are stocked and avoid the customers walking in the door. Must be why the shelves are stocked all the time, your not selling much!

Like the saying goes, you can't fix stupid!

[Tyke8319]

Dumbest thing I ever heard! Typical small business mentality. Make sure the shelves are stocked and avoid the customers walking in the door. Must be why the shelves are stocked all the time, your not selling much!

Like the saying goes, you can't fix stupid!

You're obviously not in business of you most likely wouldn't think it "stupid". PPT are mandated and NOT in any fashion profitable. They were never meant to be. They are a customer convenience and that's all.

[Russian Bot]

Please supply more info about this. All FFL's, some FFL's etc. I've seen it brought up many times and would like something more than a statement.

I'm sure it wasn't all, but the FFL with horrible customer service here is right. It was 25 years ago, when minimum wage in CA was $5.75
The FFL I frequent usually gets a 4473 done in like 10 to 15 minutes with the employee, and hands them out while you wait in line to be pre-filled.

[taperxz]

I'm sure it wasn't all, but the FFL with horrible customer service here is right. It was 25 years ago, when minimum wage in CA was $5.75
The FFL I frequent usually gets a 4473 done in like 10 to 15 minutes with the employee, and hands them out while you wait in line to be pre-filled.

Horrible customer service? You don?t even know me. I?m probably the only FFL in my area that does legit PPTs. Just because I?m telling you that they are a waste of time and money doesn?t mean I don?t do them.

You might want to consider reading the rules of this forum before inadvertently bashing FFLs here.

[taperxz]

You're obviously not in business of you most likely wouldn't think it "stupid". PPT are mandated and NOT in any fashion profitable. They were never meant to be. They are a customer convenience and that's all.

They?re not even convenient, it?s a tool the state abuses to help with compliance when two private parties transfer a gun.

If FFLs were at least able to charge $35 it would at least allow us to break even on the transfer. Also, let?s not forget that while the PPT is going on, you can lose sales to people waiting but can?t wait any longer.

Pretty entertaining to see all the gun store business experts chime in here

[taperxz]

I'm sure it wasn't all, but the FFL with horrible customer service here is right. It was 25 years ago, when minimum wage in CA was $5.75
The FFL I frequent usually gets a 4473 done in like 10 to 15 minutes with the employee, and hands them out while you wait in line to be pre-filled.

Let?s get something straight MR. Gun Store Expert

1. The gun needs to be logged into the book with sellers info

2. All paperwork needs to seen and verified. Then there?s the guys who don?t have all their stuff right and need to go get it and come back. Then they tell you they don?t have an FSC card! Oh, now we need to give him a test. (1 hour wasted)

3. Now that all that is fixed we can do the DROS. And print out up to 8 pages of crap we need to keep for 3-5 years.

4. 10 days later, the buyer pics his ****z up which is no big deal until he gets so excited he starts taking pics of his gun to show it on social media. All while paying customers are waiting.

Ya, all that for $10.

[CSACANNONEER]

You're obviously not in business of you most likely wouldn't think it "stupid". PPT are mandated and NOT in any fashion profitable. They were never meant to be. They are a customer convenience and that's all.

PPTs are mandated, in part, because the majority of the FFLs in CA supported and even push for the idea. It's not about customer convenience, it was about FFLs WANTING to make it inconvenient for gun owners by forcing them to use a FFL to transfer firearms. The convenient thing would have been to not help the state push for the draconian requirement and instead, to allow people to continue the historical practice of selling privately owned items without having to get anyone except the buyer and seller involved.

BTW, anyone who is a CA FFL and beaches about PPTs either supported the idea when it was passed or became a FFL knowing the legal requirements for PPTs. There is ZERO reason a CA FFL has for beaching about it other than to vent about their personal and their industry's past decisions.

[Russian Bot]

Horrible customer service? You don?t even know me. I?m probably the only FFL in my area that does legit PPTs. Just because I?m telling you that they are a waste of time and money doesn?t mean I don?t do them.

You might want to consider reading the rules of this forum before inadvertently bashing FFLs here.

Well you're here bashing anybody that isn't kissing your ring, and I haven't bashed anybody I'm forming my opinion based on your responses here on full display. As well as you implying that you take notes about PPTs and your lack of service to certain customer.
I'm sure my favorite FFL doesn't mind seeing me show up, then again their employees engage and give great customer service.
Lol one gun that's cute, I don't even suffer from 1 In 30. Actually there's a counter girl that I think I owe a Hellion purchase to.

[taperxz]

Well you're here bashing anybody that isn't kissing your ring, and I haven't bashed anybody I'm forming my opinion based on your responses here on full display. As well as you implying that you take notes about PPTs and your lack of service to certain customer.
I'm sure my favorite FFL doesn't mind seeing me show up, then again their employees engage and give great customer service.
Lol one gun that's cute, I don't even suffer from 1 In 30. Actually there's a counter girl that I think I owe a Hellion purchase to.

I do everything according to the law as prescribed. I don?t need you to kiss anything.

You?re not in the business, you don?t know squat and I tell it like it is.

[taperxz]

Well you're here bashing anybody that isn't kissing your ring, and I haven't bashed anybody I'm forming my opinion based on your responses here on full display. As well as you implying that you take notes about PPTs and your lack of service to certain customer.
I'm sure my favorite FFL doesn't mind seeing me show up, then again their employees engage and give great customer service.
Lol one gun that's cute, I don't even suffer from 1 In 30. Actually there's a counter girl that I think I owe a Hellion purchase to.

I?m in business! Why wouldn?t I take notes on anything that involves my business? Pretty sure you don?t even run a business

[Russian Bot]

Let?s get something straight MR. Gun Store Expert

1. The gun needs to be logged into the book with sellers info

2. All paperwork needs to seen and verified. Then there?s the guys who don?t have all their stuff right and need to go get it and come back. Then they tell you they don?t have an FSC card! Oh, now we need to give him a test. (1 hour wasted)

3. Now that all that is fixed we can do the DROS. And print out up to 8 pages of crap we need to keep for 3-5 years.

4. 10 days later, the buyer pics his ****z up which is no big deal until he gets so excited he starts taking pics of his gun to show it on social media. All while paying customers are waiting.

Ya, all that for $10.

1. VALID
2. 1/2 right I guess, people do forget all this and it's a pain in the ***. But wait an hour wasted on the FSC? Your employees sit there and watch? Might I suggest a desk in the corner with laminated question sheets and answer sheets they can fill out.
3. VALID
4. Again 1/2 right then again lots of gunstores don't allow photos in the store. Another suggestion for ya buddy. I'm not sure the policy at my favorite FFL, but I've never seen the Instagram behavior you describe while there.