PPT Fees for 2022?

[Spectre1995]

Foreword; I will not be "outing" any of the FFL's that may be referenced in this post. Given that I am now an FFL myself (not fully established, still working on DOJ certifications), this is to serve as a Q/A for educational purposes.


I was at a gun show this past weekend (San Bernardino) and was amazed at some of the prices I was seeing for PPT's. The lowest I could find was $75, but the average was $80 - $90. I was unable to find a buyer for two firearms I was selling at this show, because nobody wanted to pay ~$75 to transfer a $150 rifle, and I honestly don't blame them.

It was my understanding that the legal MAXIMUM that an FFL can charge for a PPT between two individuals in-person was $47.19 ($37.19 State Fee + $10 Dealer Fee), plus $10 per additional firearm on the same DROS entry. When I asked what the breakdown was, I was told that these additional ~$20 fees were for storage, paperwork, etc.

I know that there is no maximum fee that an FFL can charge for an out of state transfer to a CA resident, but it I'm under the impression that in-state is a maximum of $10 per firearm on top of state fees.




Since I am a new FFL, I would appreciate any input on the legalities surrounding this. I'm only going to charge the $47.19 (plus $10 per additional) when my license is fully established, but I don't want to call anyone out if I'm mistaken.

[9Cal_OC]

[Djantlive]

Another reason people don’t go the gun show these days

[Spectre1995]

Well, rest assured that when I get my FFL up and running, I'll charge only what's legally permissible, even at gun shows.

Additional storage fees will only occur after the 11th day of the 10 day waiting period. I believe that's reasonable - anything more is just absurd.

[Nardo1895]

Its pretty silly that the same state that thinks nothing of increasing the cost of doing business as a FFL year after year holds the PPT fee to the same $10 its been forever. No excuse for violating the law, but you'd think they might consider changing the fee.

[edgerly779]

Unless transfer involved then $47.19 plus lock if you do not have one or safe affidavit for long guns

[9Cal_OC]

Its pretty silly that the same state that thinks nothing of increasing the cost of doing business as a FFL year after year holds the PPT fee to the same $10 its been forever. No excuse for violating the law, but you'd think they might consider changing the fee.

[edgerly779]

^ Great advice.

[Tere_Hanges]

A lot of FFLs are charging an extra fee for PPTs calling it "storage", "processing", whatever.

CADOJ doesnt seem to care. I guess their position is the less firearms transfers the better. If CADOJ had their way, there would be no private firearms ownership whatsoever let alone a process to conduct legal transfers.

[Tyke8319]

Does anybody know the date the $10.00 PPT fee was signed into law?

I'm going to contact my state legislator and see what can be done, if anything, top up the fee amount.

[jrara]

Like it was mentioned, FFLs can charge whatever they want as a "processing fee" or a "storage fee"

DOJ doesnt care as long its not labeled as a "State Mandatory Fee"

They will only have issues if the extra fees were charged/labeled as a state required fee.

Some other FFLs might need to charge out necessity to keep the lights on, pay staff, etc.

I have encountered FFLs that avoid doing PPT by saying "The safe is full"

[taperxz]

If you’re trying to do a PPT at a gun show, perhaps they’re charging to transport the gun to their store?

Who does CA PPTs at gun shows ???? Why?

[sass2924]

Our shop was at the show this weekend and used a dealer there to transfer guns that people did not want to come into our shop to pickup. He was charging $40 for a dealer transfer which is very reasonable. He said that people were giving him a hard time for charging so much.

[Spectre1995]

Our shop was at the show this weekend and used a dealer there to transfer guns that people did not want to come into our shop to pickup. He was charging $40 for a dealer transfer which is very reasonable. He said that people were giving him a hard time for charging so much.

I assume that $40 was a dealer to dealer fee, then the customer paid the state transfer fee at their location?

[Tyke8319]

Our shop was at the show this weekend and used a dealer there to transfer guns that people did not want to come into our shop to pickup. He was charging $40 for a dealer transfer which is very reasonable. He said that people were giving him a hard time for charging so much.

How can the dealer charge $40.00 when the max is $10.00 for a PPT plus $37.19 to the state???