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  • painkiller
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2005
    • 940

    Complete lower

    Hello CG ffl braintrust.I know this has been answered and asked before but having issues from a few central valley ffls on the issue of having complete lowers shipped in.I have been told its only stripped lowers.Clearly ive seen the DOJ laws and have educated that a complete lower doesnt designate a firearm.I have one ffl (if they werent a 2 hr round trip)sell me a complete lower,now seems the few local in town have told me they are a no and need to be stripped lowers only.Is this FUD?
    everyone has a phtographic memory,some just dont have the film
  • #2
    Quiet
    retired Goon
    • Mar 2007
    • 30241

    A receiver, stripped or complete, is a Title 1 Other firearm.

    It gets ATF 4473 as "other" and CA DROS as "long gun, other, receiver".


    Since you did not specify the type of firearm you are inquiring about, it is difficult to correctly answer what you want to know due to different firearm designs designated what is the firearm's actual receiver.
    Examples... on an AR15 style firearm the lower receiver is the firearm and the upper receiver is just a part and on the SCAR firearm the lower receiver is just a part and the upper receiver is the firearm.
    Last edited by Quiet; 09-19-2022, 9:34 PM.
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    • #3
      painkiller
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2005
      • 940

      Sorry,typical AR
      everyone has a phtographic memory,some just dont have the film

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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30241

        Originally posted by painkiller
        Sorry,typical AR
        A stripped or complete AR15 lower receiver does not have a barrel or action installed on it.

        It is a firearm that is not a pistol, rifle, or shotgun and it does not have any parts installed on it that would determine it's action (break-open, bolt-action, lever-action, pump-action, or semi-auto).

        Stripped or complete, the AR15 lower receiver does not meet the CA legal definition of an assault weapon, pistol, rifle, or shotgun.

        ATF 4473 = other
        CA DROS = long gun, other, receiver


        If the complete AR15 lower receiver has a stock attached to it, then a CA FFL dealer could assume that it is intended to be made into a "rifle" and think CA laws for rifles apply to it and transfer is as a "rifle", even though it does not meet the CA legal definition of a "rifle".
        ^This would be an error on the part of the CA FFL dealer.

        CA legal definition of a "rifle" requires the firearm to have a rifled barrel and be made/intended to be fired from the shoulder. [PC 17090]
        A complete AR15 lower receiver does not have a rifled barrel, so it does not meet the CA legal definition of a "rifle", so, CA rifle laws do not apply to it.
        Last edited by Quiet; 09-20-2022, 8:08 PM.
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        "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - Dalai Lama (Seattle Times, 05-15-2001).

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        • #5
          painkiller
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2005
          • 940

          Thank you quiet,more central valley ffls to scratch off my list
          everyone has a phtographic memory,some just dont have the film

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