UPS Cracking Down on Shipping

[Steve45-70]

I think I am going with Shipmygun.com. Seems like a better option all around.

Let us know how that works. I called Ship My Gun and they said it would not be an issue but they also were vague when I asked about the new law. Not sure if they are considered a FFL by UPS. I would kind of doubt it because they say they are not to be considered the shipping FFL on the receiving FFL's paperwork.

[Nardo1895]

I thought USPS would not ship handguns?

They will ship handguns if you are a dealer. That is what the Form 1508 I mentioned on your FFL Only post is for - you are verifying you are a dealer. The only requirement is they have to go Priority Mail.

[Nardo1895]

https://about.usps.com/forms/ps1508.pdf

[CheapBloke]

Can I still ship ammo via ups as private party?

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[SkyHawk]

Try this one: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-...ntract-carrier

That says the page was last reviewed in 2020 not that there was a new law or even a change made to the page. In fact it said the exact same thing back in 2015 and probably even before then

https://web.archive.org/web/20150905235228/https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-nonlicensee-ship-firearm-common-or-contract-carrier

Also, ATF never goes into the legal weeds with their FAQ answers. The actual law, which they cite, says that you do not have to notify the carrier what you are shipping, if the gun is going to a FFL and is shipping by common or contract carrier (ie not USPS)

27 CFR 478.1

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/27/478.31

a) No person shall knowingly deliver or cause to be delivered to any common or contract carrier for transportation or shipment in interstate or foreign commerce to any person other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector, any package or other container in which there is any firearm or ammunition without written notice to the carrier that such firearm or ammunition is being transported or shipped:

Also note the law applies to ammo too. It is unlikely that such notice happens in many cases with ammo.

If you are a FFL, you have a lot to learn. You might be able trust an ATF public FAQ when they give you an answer that favors 2A, but do not trust the FAQ when they give you an anti-2A answer. Always review the actual laws, because ATF likes to spread FUD too (or maybe they just give they simplest answer that errs on the side of caution since these FAQs are directed to the lowest common denominator aka the public)

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[Lonestargrizzly]

Coincidence maybe?
Have an expensive upper coming via UPS and UPS emailed me just now saying my package was damaged in transit...

[stomach]

UPS incompetence

Been shipping weekly for over 15 years. Have yet to lose one or damage. I NEVER tell them whats in it, its none of their business and its incumbent on me to stay within the law, not for them to become legislator, judge and jury over the issue. This rule is most likely to affect the big boys like S&W and such. First thing UPS gets is more money. Hopefully a shipping company will rise up out of this and just do normal business with folks. If UPS and Fedex don't crush them.
If we don't push back, they win.

Agreed totally.
Remember back in the days when one can ship handguns on regular Ground UPS until they stopped that and required you to pay for 2 days Overnight Express or faster? And the real reason for them to change policy:
Due to excessive in-house thefts in their shipping centers because handguns are expensive and small, therefore easier to sneak out and be stolen by their own employees!
Go figured??!!

[joefrank64k]

I just have an 03, but was finally able to set up my firearm and firearm parts accounts with UPS. All done via email and docusign.

I still won’t tell them what’s inside, haha!!

[p7m8jg]

So shipping my daughter's .22 Mossberg she won at a Friends of NRA dinner to her out of state is not worth the effort.

Wonderful.

[RipTownTech]

Let us know how that works. I called Ship My Gun and they said it would not be an issue but they also were vague when I asked about the new law. Not sure if they are considered a FFL by UPS. I would kind of doubt it because they say they are not to be considered the shipping FFL on the receiving FFL's paperwork.

used ShipMyGun, smooth and easy process and because I have an account with UPS I was able to have it picked up direct, did not have to visit a service center. ShipMyGun has a UPS FFL account already established with UPS, so they are technically a reseller. Only delay was getting them to add my FFL and the FFL of the receiver to their data base, took about a week.

[Funjeff]

Long guns can go Usps to a out of state dealer.