UPS Cracking Down on Shipping

[Tyke8319]

You are the exception on rates. Most near me want $75 plus the shipping to even touch the firearm.

I'm curious, why would any shipper know what your shipping? It's my understanding (other than the PO) that you're not supposed to disclose a firearm shipment.
The last time I was asked (some years ago) I stated that the shipment was metal parts...

[Whiterabbit]

[kendog4570]

Wide spread non compliance can be effective on having this BS fall by the wayside. Just dont tell them whats in it. You're still within the law, just not their policy. If you want to insure it, they'll want to know whats in it. Machined parts are just as expensive as guns.

[G-forceJunkie]

Thats fine and dandy untill the damage your stuff and you try and make a claim.

Wide spread non compliance can be effective on having this BS fall by the wayside. Just dont tell them whats in it. You're still within the law, just not their policy. If you want to insure it, they'll want to know whats in it. Machined parts are just as expensive as guns.

[kendog4570]

Been shipping weekly for over 15 years. Have yet to lose one or damage. I NEVER tell them whats in it, its none of their business and its incumbent on me to stay within the law, not for them to become legislator, judge and jury over the issue. This rule is most likely to affect the big boys like S&W and such. First thing UPS gets is more money. Hopefully a shipping company will rise up out of this and just do normal business with folks. If UPS and Fedex don't crush them.
If we don't push back, they win.

[sigstroker]

If USPS wants to know if you're shipping a gun, that's not law, only policy?

[kendog4570]

If USPS wants to know if you're shipping a gun, that's not law, only policy?

Why would they ask? They only want to know if your shipping flammables, fragile, and such. You are not required to tell them what is in it, only declare that there is nothing hazardous, perishable, fragile, liquid, perfume, mercury, or lithium batteries, in the box.


Their policy:
They "recommend" ($$ Hint hint) that you send long guns registered, and no markings on outside of box to suggest a firearm. Priority gets there just the same. Handguns are not mail-able except dealer to dealer with a form 1508 given to the PO rep. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun for a non licensee.


UPS can piss up a rope. You dont have to tell them what is in it. You are still within the law when you ship. If you dont tell them, and have a claim, you may not get reimbursed. What are they going to do? Cancel your account? Put you on Double Secret Probation? Eff em.
Use PayPal Shipstation to make UPS labels and drop it off at a ship hub or contract drop off. I have an account with UPS and PayPal rates are 2/3rds or less than my "discount" through my account. Screw them. They'll come around when black turns to red in their ledgers. Just like Ebay did when they banned all gun parts listings a few years back. The real impact of this "rule" is going to hit the distributors and suppliers, and smaller manufacturers. They're trapped between FedEx and UPS.

[RipTownTech]

ATF Rule for Shipping UPS/FedEx, Applies to FFLs?

Why would they ask? They only want to know if your shipping flammables, fragile, and such. You are not required to tell them what is in it, only declare that there is nothing hazardous, perishable, fragile, liquid, perfume, mercury, or lithium batteries, in the box.


Their policy:
They "recommend" ($$ Hint hint) that you send long guns registered, and no markings on outside of box to suggest a firearm. Priority gets there just the same. Handguns are not mail-able except dealer to dealer with a form 1508 given to the PO rep. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun for a non licensee.


UPS can piss up a rope. You dont have to tell them what is in it. You are still within the law when you ship. If you dont tell them, and have a claim, you may not get reimbursed. What are they going to do? Cancel your account? Put you on Double Secret Probation? Eff em.
Use PayPal Shipstation to make UPS labels and drop it off at a ship hub or contract drop off. I have an account with UPS and PayPal rates are 2/3rds or less than my "discount" through my account. Screw them. They'll come around when black turns to red in their ledgers. Just like Ebay did when they banned all gun parts listings a few years back. The real impact of this "rule" is going to hit the distributors and suppliers, and smaller manufacturers. They're trapped between FedEx and UPS.

I am an FFL, small start up. A customer asked me to ship a handgun to an FFL in Kentucky. Happy to, but it seems impossible to arrange the shipping agreement with UPS or FedEx. You mentioned that the law does not require me to inform UPS if I am shipping a firearm to another FFL. However, I noticed this ATF rule, does this apply to FFLs or just unlicensed shippers?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-...ntract-carrier

[kendog4570]

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https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-...ntract-carrier

Looks like a new rule/"law". Jan 2020?

I tell the agent where I ship it contains firearm. Get a receipt when I drop it off. Covers the letter of the law, maybe not the spirit.
Hopefully a carrier will rise up out of the ashes of this crap and work with us, like FedEx did when UPS wouldn't give Sears a break on volume shipping way back when. Now FedEx is the same or worse.

[sigstroker]

Might be easier and cheaper just to use USPS.

[SkyHawk]

I am an FFL, small start up. A customer asked me to ship a handgun to an FFL in Kentucky. Happy to, but it seems impossible to arrange the shipping agreement with UPS or FedEx. You mentioned that the law does not require me to inform UPS if I am shipping a firearm to another FFL. However, I noticed this ATF rule, does this apply to FFLs or just unlicensed shippers?

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-...ntract-carrier

You copied and pasted a truncated link.

[RipTownTech]

You copied and pasted a truncated link.

Try this one: https://www.atf.gov/firearms/qa/may-...ntract-carrier

[Nardo1895]

That link is for non-licensed shippers.

In any case I think USPS is a better choice for shipping a handgun.

[RipTownTech]

I think I am going with Shipmygun.com. Seems like a better option all around.

[RipTownTech]

That link is for non-licensed shippers.

In any case I think USPS is a better choice for shipping a handgun.

I thought USPS would not ship handguns?