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  • Easy E
    Junior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 25

    2012 PPT DROS/serial # issue/CCW permit

    I bought a 2002 model year Glock in 2012.
    The serial number on the DROS is xxxxxx (six characters).
    The number on the slide/barrel is the same.
    The number on the frame is the same as barrel/slide, except with a "US" at the tail end... xxxxxxUS. (US for United States, delivery market)

    I copied the DROS number to CCW training cert/form and CCW permit application.

    After poking around for info a bit... I hear the ATF or State didn't want the "US" to be recorded at the time (2012). Now, I guess they want 7+ characters in the serial number.

    I'm unsure whether to try to cancel/re-register so my CCW related papers will have the frame number (vs. slide/barrel number). I understand barrel/slide can be swapped out. I've heard the State isn't accepting BOF 958 forms anymore... everyone is working from home.

    I just don't know if it's worth the ha$sle of re-registering to avoid the (slim?) chance of a LEO saying my frame serial number doesn't match permit... and taking it?

    Local (City) authority hasn't been posed the question, yet. County authority said ask City. Training instructor said any LEO worth their salt wouldn't sweat me.
    I also thought of just letting things rest, as is... and just carrying a copy of my six character DROS with me/or a pic/pdf.
    Last edited by Easy E; 08-20-2022, 3:32 PM.
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    0321 U.S.M.C
    Junior Member
    • Mar 2020
    • 65

    Your FFL screwed up by not using frame serial #, so technically there may be a gun registerd to you that you dont have possesion of. US has nothing to do with serial number glocks are going to be marked US or Austria. If FFL still around I would pay him a vistit. basically the gun youy have is not registerd to you, so if your IA requires it to be registerd, its not (at least to you), some care some dont.

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    • #3
      0321 U.S.M.C
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2020
      • 65

      they way im reading your post is serial numbers dont match, if they do and your only concern is the US part that is not part of your serial number

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      • #4
        Easy E
        Junior Member
        • Nov 2012
        • 25

        Originally posted by 0321 U.S.M.C
        Your FFL screwed up by not using frame serial #
        Were you an FFL in 2012?
        Originally posted by 0321 U.S.M.C
        US has nothing to do with serial number glocks are going to be marked US or Austria.
        I'm not talking about on the upper part of the polymer grip (Made in Austria vs. Smyrna). "US" can have something to do with serial number, see pic below. There are other country codes, conceivably other than "US" market... scroll down here.
        Originally posted by 0321 U.S.M.C
        they way im reading your post is serial numbers dont match, if they do and your only concern is the US part that is not part of your serial number
        The first six characters all match (frame/barrel/slide), except on the frame there there is a "US" at the end.

        Mine is similar to this pic, except mine has one more alpha character at the beginning:
        Last edited by Easy E; 08-20-2022, 3:33 PM.
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        • #5
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          CGN Contributor - Lifetime
          • Oct 2005
          • 44646

          Glock apparently thinks the actual serial number is as represented on the label on the case when sold - here, TXV699.

          Information for the discerning collector
          ARCHIVED Calguns Foundation Wiki here: http://web.archive.org/web/201908310...itle=Main_Page

          Frozen in 2015, it is falling out of date and I can no longer edit the content. But much of it is still good!

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          • #6
            0321 U.S.M.C
            Junior Member
            • Mar 2020
            • 65

            Were you an FFL in 2012?
            I was not, dont see what that has to do with anything, but ill stay out your post and you can figuer it out yourself.

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            • #7
              ronlglock
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • May 2011
              • 2670

              Just FYI, I have a Glock 17 G4 with frame and slide S/N that don't match. The frame is the gun. As an FFL, I have seen plenty of guns come through the shop with an engraved S/N and DE or US in ink at the end. I use whatever is engraved.

              In the case of Glock pictured above with DR977 US engraved, how do I know that US is not part of the S/N if I don't have the box? I would assume that since it is engraved it IS part of the S/N.
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              • #8
                0321 U.S.M.C
                Junior Member
                • Mar 2020
                • 65

                Originally posted by ronlglock
                Just FYI, I have a Glock 17 G4 with frame and slide S/N that don't match. The frame is the gun. As an FFL, I have seen plenty of guns come through the shop with an engraved S/N and DE or US in ink at the end. I use whatever is engraved.

                In the case of Glock pictured above with DR977 US engraved, how do I know that US is not part of the S/N if I don't have the box? I would assume that since it is engraved it IS part of the S/N.
                I consider the S/N one continues alpha numeric line without any spaces (I do belive I have seen some exeptions) now if it hade a - between and no space maybe, I miss read his post and thought someone replaced slide and didnt match with frame and ffl used slide to dros, but if slide and frame all match exept the us, I would say no its us is not part of s/n.

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                • #9
                  Mayor McRifle
                  Calguns Addict
                  • Dec 2013
                  • 7665

                  Originally posted by Easy E
                  I just don't know if it's worth the ha$sle of re-registering to avoid the (slim?) chance of a LEO saying my frame serial number doesn't match permit... and taking it?
                  It’s not. In all my years of carrying, I’ve never had anyone check serial numbers. I’ve never even heard of that happening to anyone else. And even if an LEO saw your valid permit allowing you to legally carry a firearm and for some reason asked you to draw your weapon and unload it so he/she could check to see that you, a legal carrier, were carrying the “right” gun, he or she would see every number on your permit stamped onto the frame. He or she might notice the extra “US” on the frame, but there isn’t an idiot on Earth who wouldn’t be able to figure out that those two ubiquitous letters were left off the permit, just as they were left off the slide and barrel. I would venture to guess that most would even be able to surmise that the letters “US” probably represent “United States.” And, in the worst case scenario for even the most irrationally paranoid among us, if you were in fact cited or even arrested for carrying a “different” gun than the three you were legally permitted to carry, you would NEVER be convicted, as the burden of proof is beyond a reasonable doubt, and no one in their right mind would ever reasonably believe that you were carrying a different gun when they see that the serial numbers all match, with the exception of those two additional letters in one place on the gun’s frame.

                  Originally posted by Easy E
                  Training instructor said any LEO worth their salt wouldn't sweat me.
                  The training instructor was right.
                  Last edited by Mayor McRifle; 08-21-2022, 8:45 AM.
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                  • #10
                    BONECUTTER
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2007
                    • 2263

                    US is part of the serial number on those Glocks and needs to be corrected.
                    Serial number on the barrell doesn't matter....Barrels are not firearms
                    Serial number on the Slide doesn't matter....slides are not firearms
                    Only the numbers/letters on the plate of the frame (the firearm) matter.

                    Many FFL's missed that in the past. The CADOJ I think put out a memo about how the US is part of the serial number.

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                    • #11
                      acespawnshop
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Jun 2012
                      • 2852

                      Curious Librarian maybe knows, but since the DES changed in 2014 and this is a 2012 issue are we able to make corrections to DROS's that we no longer have access to?
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                      • #12
                        BONECUTTER
                        Senior Member
                        • Aug 2007
                        • 2263

                        Originally posted by acespawnshop
                        Curious Librarian maybe knows, but since the DES changed in 2014 and this is a 2012 issue are we able to make corrections to DROS's that we no longer have access to?
                        BOF 958 form is the DROS correction worksheet. If you know the old DROS number you should be able to fill out the form and mail it in. No telling how long it will take CADOJ to make the update though.

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                        • #13
                          acespawnshop
                          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                          CGN Contributor
                          • Jun 2012
                          • 2852

                          Thats true. Other than trying to go back and find the original 4473, I doubt the FFL has the original DROS number handy.
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