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  • panzer
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    • Jan 2010
    • 425

    Delayed twice

  • #2
    Tyke8319
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Nov 2013
    • 2105

    Sit tight. Quite possibly DOJ is being inundated with Dros submissions. Beyond that, it's anyone's guess.
    American soldier by choice. Made in America by the Grace of God.

    So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State.
    Judge Roger T. Benitez
    LCM's ruled legal 3/29/2019

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    • #3
      The Gleam
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Feb 2011
      • 12802

      Alert CRPA to the problem. Has even more impact if you're a CRPA member.

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      Originally posted by Librarian
      What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

      If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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      • #4
        ASD1
        1/2 BANNED
        CGN Contributor - Lifetime
        • Apr 2012
        • 1793

        If you are only being "Delayed" and it dose not turn into a denial.

        There is something in / on your background that is causing a person to review your file manually.

        You can run your own check to see what is showing up (the dealer should have given you the form). It may be something you can clean up. It also may not be.

        There are a lot of things that can flag your file for review.
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        • #5
          559BearDown
          Senior Member
          • Jan 2014
          • 1555

          I'm on day 31 and it finally came back undetermined. Wish I would've known ahead of time my shop won't release it to me despite having a ccw. I hate California.

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          • #6
            Burbur
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2010
            • 1258

            Delayed status's are at an all time high.

            We are experiencing one or two a day. There is no longer any tangential reasoning like "arrested but not charged with a crime, and no disposition recorded". Friday, we received one for an active duty sheriffs deputy. Tuesday we delivered undetermined for two people that hold secret clearance.

            DOJ is just not capable of hitting the green button.

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            • #7
              ronlglock
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
              CGN Contributor
              • May 2011
              • 2670

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              NRA/USCCA/DOJ instructor, NRA CRSO, Journalist

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              • #8
                taperxz
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2010
                • 19395

                Originally posted by ronlglock
                We had a customer DROS two firearms as a pawn return on the same 4473. Both went delayed then one went approved a few days later — but the second didn’t.

                I called our rep and got a VM that all field reps were transferred to the call center, so called them. Second gun was released a day later.

                Something is rotten in Sacamenna.
                This is exactly why not releasing to undetermined is a bad policy.

                At the end of 30 days and a NICS check, the dealer is clear of liability with that FBI approval.
                Last edited by taperxz; 06-12-2022, 12:29 PM.

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                • #9
                  The Gleam
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 12802

                  Originally posted by ASD1
                  If you are only being "Delayed" and it dose not turn into a denial.

                  There is something in / on your background that is causing a person to review your file manually.

                  You can run your own check to see what is showing up (the dealer should have given you the form). It may be something you can clean up. It also may not be.

                  There are a lot of things that can flag your file for review.
                  Absolutely not the situation here; majority of those falling under the erroneous 'delayed/undetermined' game as of late have NO background issue or variable that would give cause for a 'manual' review, and none to find.

                  10 years ago that may have been the case, even up to 2 years ago - but lately it's a clear and orchestrated obstruction to reduce the number of guns sold, without any explanation.

                  I have no doubt it's intentional, even if being made to look like the inmocent result of DOJ staff-shortage vs. gun buying volume, which is an unwarranted reason to commit civil-rights violations. A right delayed is a right denied; a right 'undetermined' speaks even louder as to applying abusive power over a civil-right by mere disregard for the same.

                  Do not conflate causes for prohibited-persons/denial with this nonsensical 'delayed/undetermined' underground gun-control and ambush on gun ownership reduction tool.

                  It has become clear there is an animosity toward gun owners by the DOJ wilfully abusing their power over the DROS process, that is bleeding out through some strategy or tactic to stall, possibly even intentionally antagonize gun purchase applicants.

                  I wager this is nothing more than random selection in hopes of maybe catching something in which to point, a task force without goid cause, but the real motive being to backlog so many that they simply don't have time to get to them within the 30-days' window - so your 2nd Amendment civil-rights get 'delayed/undetermined' because the DOJ staff simply don't have the time for you and all that - they've got better things to do.

                  So you're 'delayed/undetermined' is unwarranted, had no reason for it, and likely an extension of Bonta's small and petty retort against gun owners for recent suits against his office and that of his predecessor, Becerra.

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                  Last edited by The Gleam; 06-14-2022, 12:30 AM.
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                  Originally posted by Librarian
                  What compelling interest has any level of government in knowing what guns are owned by civilians? (Those owned by government should be inventoried and tracked, for exactly the same reasons computers and desks and chairs are tracked: responsible care of public property.)

                  If some level of government had that information, what would they do with it? How would having that info benefit public safety? How would it benefit law enforcement?

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                  • #10
                    taperxz
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 19395

                    Originally posted by The Gleam
                    Absolutely not the situation here; majority of those falling under the erroneous 'delayed/undetermined' game as of late have NO background issue or variable that would give cause for a 'manual' review, and none to find.

                    10 years ago that may have been the case, even up to 2 years ago - but lately it's a clear and orchestrated obstruction to reduce the number of guns sold, without any explanation.

                    I have no doubt it's intentional, even if being made to look like the inmocent result of DOJ staff-shortage vs. gun buying volume, which is an unwarranted reason to commit civil-rights violations. A right delayed is a right denied; a right 'undetermined' speaks even louder as to applying abusive power over a civil-right by mere disregard for the same.

                    Do not conflate causes for prohibited-persons/denial with this nonsensical 'delayed/undetermined' underground gun-control and ambush on gun ownership reduction tool.

                    It has become clear there is an animosity toward gun owners by the DOJ wilfully abusing their power over the DROS process, that is bleeding out through some strategy or tactic to stall, possibly even intentionally antagonize gun purchase applicants.

                    I wager this is nothing more than random selection in hopes of maybe catching something in which to point, a task force without goid cause, but the real motive being to backlog so many that they simply don't have time to get to them within the 30-days' window - so your 2nd Amendment civil-rights get 'delayed/undetermined' because the DOJ staff simply don't have the time for you and all that - they've got better things to do.

                    So you're 'delayed/undetermined' is unwarranted, had no reason for it, and likely an extension of Bonta's small and petty retort against gun owners for recent suits against his office and that of his predecessor, Becerra.

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                    • #11
                      Marquand
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2013
                      • 1482

                      DROS "Delayed" status rarely has anything to do with the purchaser or the FFL involved. Simple things like clerical/data entry errors at DOJ, court records/business license applications or even unpaid parking tickets can affect DROS checks. I've been involved in this business in CA since 1992 and the system simply sucks. Patience pays off. ;-)
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