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  • SteamBrick
    Junior Member
    • Dec 2015
    • 83

    Question for FFL's: CA DOJ Audits

    Hi Fellow Calgunners & FFL's,

    I wanted to preface this by saying I'm not upset or venting, just needed some insight from some fellow CG'ers who are an FFL. I've been a longtime member & buyer/seller here on CG, but this is my first time posting in a long time, and I just wanted to see if you could help me shed some light on a situation with a pickup on a PTP I performed on Friday, May 6th.

    I'd purchased a 1911 from a fellow Calguns member, who also owns/has ownership in an FFL/gunsmith shop. I had reached out to him to purchase and we set the date/time and one of the other reps/owners at the shop were going to handle the PTP at his shop. Went in, checked out the gun, paid cash, smooth transaction.

    They are closed Mondays, so instead of picking up on the 16th, the rep/other owner(?) at the shop said they'd see me Tuesday the 17th (11 days). One day isn't going to make/break anything, so no rush. In the meantime, I also had some ammo sent over from Buds (since they are a recommended FFL for shipments, and I figured I could kill two birds)...

    I noticed that there were 3 attempted FedEx deliveries for the ammo, but FedEx kept saying the shop was closed, when in fact, it was during open hours. I was a little concerned about the ammo being shipped back, so I called the shop, and actually spoke to the member who sold me the 1911.

    He let me know that they are currently undergoing a CA DOJ Audit, and that they had the doors closed during this time. I asked about picking up the 1911 I'd purchased on Tuesday the 16th, and he said they aren't currently doing any PTP or DROS pickups, and that the doors are going to be closed for ammo deliveries as well.

    My question is (and thank you all for taking the time to read the background): do you guys know how long these audits take? I did let him know I'd planned my week around the trip -- I drove out about 20 miles to get it, and that I'm glad I called -- as no one called me to inform me that the appointment changed, but he sounded kind of indifferent about it, and the ammo delivery. I'm unfamiliar with DOJ audits, but know that in some industries, audits can last weeks/months. The way he made it sound is that he wouldn't be doing any pickups until the audit was over, but didn't seem like he wanted to furnish any other info.

    I understand you all have a shop to run, and dealing with the DOJ (or any audit) can be nerve-wracking, or at the very least annoying. That said, a heads-up is always appreciated, as are any other details of when I could pick up/reschedule would've been cool... I tried asking, but the response I received was that it is all up in the air at this point.

    So I'm just simply trying to figure out if I should contact Buds customer service to let them know what's occured and get that ammo sent back/routed to another FFL, as well as get a tiny bit of insight from fellow CG'ers who are FFL's as to how long DOJ audits generally last. I get that they all differ, but perhaps a few of you could chime in, and/or offer any advice -- it would be appreciated. Obviously everything is paid for in cash, so my end of the deal is done.

    As a quick side-note, there are some reviews (and I take those with a grain of salt), where customers waited for items they'd brought in for work, or were promised a specific date for completion work prior to a hunting trip, etc... but those dates were never met. In fact, some of them complained about having to what I'm doing -- where they waited until the pickup date and then called, only to realize that work hadn't even begun as of yet. There are also a ton of great reviews as well (so again, a grain of salt), but it did raise my eyebrow enough to reach out to y'all to hopefully get some insight.

    Lastly, do you know about DOJ audits ahead of time, or are they just surprise visits that they spring on you guys? Just trying to get a feel for whether this could've been avoided or whether they could've let me know ahead of time.

    Thanks ahead of time and hope you & your respective families and businesses are all safe and sound at this time.
    Last edited by SteamBrick; 05-15-2022, 12:29 AM. Reason: spelling correction
  • #2
    SkyHawk
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Sep 2012
    • 23523

    These audits can take days, here is a story


    In the worse case they don't come back online for awhile


    Originally posted by USAF4564
    Update - FFL was shut down and had to deliver firearms to another local dealer. Hope he is able to get back on line quickly and without major consequences. Make sure you are fully complying with all laws and reg's because the DOJ is on a mission.
    Last edited by SkyHawk; 05-15-2022, 8:14 AM.
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    • #3
      0321 U.S.M.C
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2020
      • 65

      Time is going to depend on volume, and if any red flags or not squared away. I am homebased and low volume. mine was about 2 hrs., and some time of them answering questions and giving advise. I knew about mine about 1 week or so in advance, but then again Im homebased with a day job and they know that.

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      • #4
        sfe187
        Banned
        • Sep 2016
        • 1770

        Let's get this out of the way first, being a member since 2015 isn't a "long time" lol. and its PPT not PTP lol.

        Each FFL runs differently like above have said volume etc. I have picked up (on 10th day) and started a DROS on two different occasions while the DOJ rep was doing their audit, my FFL ran the shop as normal.

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        • #5
          ronlglock
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • May 2011
          • 2670

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          • #6
            SteamBrick
            Junior Member
            • Dec 2015
            • 83

            Originally posted by SkyHawk
            These audits can take days, here is a story


            In the worse case they don't come back online for awhile
            https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/....php?t=1058683
            SkyHawk,

            Thank you for taking the time to read/respond, I appreciate the threads linked for reference, I guess it could be a plethora of reasons for the audit, so this is gonna have to be something I wait out and figure out as best I can with the FFL, I appreciate the heads-up and insight here brother.
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            Originally posted by 0321 U.S.M.C
            Time is going to depend on volume, and if any red flags or not squared away. I am homebased and low volume. mine was about 2 hrs., and some time of them answering questions and giving advise. I knew about mine about 1 week or so in advance, but then again Im homebased with a day job and they know that.
            Thank you 0321 U.S.M.C for taking the time to read/respond with some insight, I appreciate the help and you chiming-in with how long it took you (home-based FFL), hopefully it's just a short stint (fingers crossed)... me not knowing, and of course the FFL not divulging any info (probably doesn't have it himself), this helps me out knowing at least that they *could* perhaps be completed quickly too, depending on the cause of the visit/audit. Thank you again for taking the time.
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            Originally posted by sfe187
            Let's get this out of the way first, being a member since 2015 isn't a "long time" lol. and its PPT not PTP lol.

            Each FFL runs differently like above have said volume etc. I have picked up (on 10th day) and started a DROS on two different occasions while the DOJ rep was doing their audit, my FFL ran the shop as normal.
            Thank you sfe187 for taking the time to read and respond. I hear you for sure, and I meant no disrespect in my short few years here at Calguns -- I wasn't trying to take anything away from Senior Members who had spent way more time than me helping others or discussing threads/selling/buying/etc. on here... I just meant I didn't create an account yesterday to post this or vent (I didn't want to mention any names/FFL's) -- was just trying to get some solid info from you guys who are way more experienced than I am... I joined up on here when purchasing my first firearm, and have found this place to be a great asset to gun owners in CA for so many reasons... so my bad, and yes, my apologies for fudging the acronym, I wrote way too much.

            Thank you also for the heads-up on your experience(s), I know now that this is going to depend on the FFL in question and whether they want to complete the transfer with the DOJ there, or if something more serious, that I'll just have to wait it out. I appreciate you and your insight/experience here brother.
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            ronlglock, thank you so much for taking the time to read/respond here... definitely I hear you loud and clear on those delivery drivers... that's actually what I was *hoping* was happening when I saw the alerts that the ammo wasn't being delivered, and the reason for my call to the FFL in the first place, only to find out that the doors were actually closed/FFL was closed during the audit... but yeah, as a guy who has done a lot of shipping in the last 10 years in my own industry -- I definitely get it, and feel your pain with these guys.

            Thank you for taking the time again, and hope you have a great day.

            Thank you to all fellow CG'ers and FFL's who chimed in here with the relevant threads and info and your experiences dealing with stuff like this. I will have to get back in touch with them next week and figure this out as it looks like it's a case-by-case dependent situation, and I'm sure it'll be worked out... I just wanted to know what worst-case scenarios were (since I didn't get any other info when speaking to them), so I could adjust expectations accordingly.

            Thank you all for being so kind and taking the time to help a fellow CG'er. Have a great rest of your weekend.

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