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  • bobbyblank
    Member
    • Nov 2008
    • 438

    Question for FFL - Looking for my old rifle

    Probably seems silly but I thought I would ask some of the local FFL holders..

    Long story somewhat short... when I was young I sold my first rifle I learned to shoot on as a child. Was an apache black Nylon 66.

    I sold it to Badger john's huntin stuff in antelope to pay for a different rifle I wanted to purchase from them, And i did. They are long out of business, I believe 5.11 tactical is there now.

    Looking back much older now, it was an awful decision and wondering if there is any possible route to trace the purchase of my old rifle, possibly purchase it back from whoever purchased it?

    I'm sure its a long shot, also probably not even possible but wanted to ask people with more experience with purchase/sales/transfers/records/private information and such. Thanks in advance.
  • #2
    Achelous
    Member
    • Dec 2021
    • 112

    When you sold the rifle to the FFL, they would have entered it into their records (A&D Book - Acquisition). When they sold / transferred it, they would also have entered that in their records (A&D Book - Disposition). There is a record of where the rifle went after you. However, if they are out of business, there were required to do as shown in the attachment.

    The records exist, but I'm unaware of any way to get access.
    Attached Files

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    • #3
      Tyke8319
      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
      CGN Contributor
      • Nov 2013
      • 2105

      Really depends on when you when you sold it. A&D books were not always a requirement...
      American soldier by choice. Made in America by the Grace of God.

      So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State.
      Judge Roger T. Benitez
      LCM's ruled legal 3/29/2019

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      • #4
        Tyke8319
        CGN/CGSSA Contributor
        CGN Contributor
        • Nov 2013
        • 2105

        Prior to the 1968 Gun Control Act there was (I believe) no such requirement.
        American soldier by choice. Made in America by the Grace of God.

        So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State.
        Judge Roger T. Benitez
        LCM's ruled legal 3/29/2019

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        • #5
          bobbyblank
          Member
          • Nov 2008
          • 438

          I have the original receipt at home for the rifle purchased with funds from the sale, I can look when I get home. If I had to guess, 15 years ago or so.

          I assumed records had to be kept, and also assumed obviously they couldn't be public record. Was more curious if there was a way to access any records in any other fashion. Seems unlikely.

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          • #6
            Tyke8319
            CGN/CGSSA Contributor
            CGN Contributor
            • Nov 2013
            • 2105

            If it was about 15 years ago and your "buyer" is now out of business you're (sadly) out of luck...
            American soldier by choice. Made in America by the Grace of God.

            So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State.
            Judge Roger T. Benitez
            LCM's ruled legal 3/29/2019

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            • #7
              bobbyblank
              Member
              • Nov 2008
              • 438

              Hard lesson learned, I figured would be a snipe hunt trying to find it. I still have my father nylon 66, just would have liked to shown my boy to shoot on mine in a few years.

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              • #8
                hermosabeach
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2009
                • 19642

                If the gun moved to a free state it could be sold private party without dros.

                Same in California. Back in the day you could sell rifles private party in ca too
                Rule 1- ALL GUNS ARE ALWAYS LOADED

                Rule 2 -NEVER LET THE MUZZLE COVER ANYTHING YOU ARE NOT PREPARED TO DESTROY (including your hands and legs)

                Rule 3 -KEEP YOUR FINGER OFF THE TRIGGER UNTIL YOUR SIGHTS ARE ON THE TARGET

                Rule 4 -BE SURE OF YOUR TARGET AND WHAT IS BEYOND IT
                (thanks to Jeff Cooper)

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                • #9
                  sfe187
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2016
                  • 1770

                  Its a long long shot but if you're willing to do the work, who knows i have seen miracles. Post your gun's description on various forums to speciality forums and see if you get lead. I have seen a guy was looking for his long sold revolver and someone on SW forum had it.

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                  • #10
                    Jeepergeo
                    Veteran Member
                    • Feb 2012
                    • 3506

                    Originally posted by bobbyblank
                    Hard lesson learned, I figured would be a snipe hunt trying to find it. I still have my father nylon 66, just would have liked to shown my boy to shoot on mine in a few years.
                    It's good that privately owned items such as you describe can't be easily traced or tracked through paperwork mandated by a government that sees little need for the 2A.

                    Imagine if Antifa, BLM, the Brady group, Clinton Foundation, etc. had easy access to such information....
                    Benefactor Life Member, National Rifle Association
                    Life Member, California Rifle and Pistol Association

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                    • #11
                      Tyke8319
                      CGN/CGSSA Contributor
                      CGN Contributor
                      • Nov 2013
                      • 2105

                      Without a serial number your SOL...
                      American soldier by choice. Made in America by the Grace of God.

                      So, now it is ironic that the State whittles away at the right of its citizens to defend themselves from the possible oppression of their State.
                      Judge Roger T. Benitez
                      LCM's ruled legal 3/29/2019

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                      • #12
                        bobbyblank
                        Member
                        • Nov 2008
                        • 438

                        Originally posted by Tyke8319
                        Without a serial number your SOL...
                        Yea, Ive looked at only photos i have. Cant see it. I was able to find purchase reciept, but did not list the sale or serial for the nylon 66. Purchase date and sale of old rifle was March of 2009.

                        Guess im off to the WTB section lol.

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                        • #13
                          bobbyblank
                          Member
                          • Nov 2008
                          • 438

                          Originally posted by Jeepergeo
                          It's good that privately owned items such as you describe can't be easily traced or tracked through paperwork mandated by a government that sees little need for the 2A.

                          Imagine if Antifa, BLM, the Brady group, Clinton Foundation, etc. had easy access to such information....
                          I agree. which is why i know it was a long shot. and it shouldnt be public information. But still worth asking if there was a hard way for me to do it. it means a lot to me and im willing to put in the leg work

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