Is this possible/legal for a PPT?

[SilveradoColt21]

This might have already been asked before but I had a question regarding conducting a PPT. If I was interested in an off roster handgun that a private party had for sale but it was in the Socal area, would I be able to drive up the socal area and face to face conduct a PPT but have the FFL I am doing it through ship the firearm to an FFL that was in my area back at home? I am just thinking about this because I wouldn't want to make two trips back to that area due to distance and time issues.

[Gryff]

No. The gun isn't yours until the 2nd FFL visit, so you couldn't ship it to yourself via the FFL.

And the minute shipping is involved from one person to another, it is no longer a PPT, and therefore the roster applies. You would have to do both FFL visits in SoCal to be able to buy the guy.

[9Cal_OC]

^^

This.

You need to sign and fingerprint the DROS paperwork at pickup so the FFL can log it out of their books.

[M1NM]

2 drives at $5+ per gallon sure takes the fun out of "road trip".
You'll need to wait for the high speed rail to get up and running to make this practical.

[????? ????]

OP needs to make 2 trips to the dealer: one to start the DROS, and one to do pickup. It's what required by the law, and what is required by the DROS Entry System.

Penal Code section 28050 is the Private Party Transfer law and requires "The dealer shall then deliver the firearm to the purchaser or transferee or the person being loaned the firearm, if it is not prohibited, in accordance with Section 27540."

Penal Code section 27540 in turn requires a number of things for which the purchaser must do at pickup, such as "the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents clear evidence of the person’s identity and age to the dealer." And Penal Code section 16400 defines "clear evidence of the person's identity and age" as a California driver's license or a California DMV-issued identification card. That means the dealer needs to see state-issued picture ID and make sure the person doing the pickup is the one in the picture.

[Bullets&Whitewalls]

you could offer the seller a paid trip to visit your FFL It doesn't hurt to ask. The cost might suck but you save time you can never get back.

[SilveradoColt21]

you could offer the seller a paid trip to visit your FFL It doesn't hurt to ask. The cost might suck but you save time you can never get back.

very true, I didn't think of that, I imagine that even if I flew the 2nd time to go pick it up that I cannot board a plane with an off roster pistol right? assuming that even if I follow the proper protocols to abide by the law?

[taperxz]

very true, I didn't think of that, I imagine that even if I flew the 2nd time to go pick it up that I cannot board a plane with an off roster pistol right? assuming that even if I follow the proper protocols to abide by the law?

If you’re not prohibited, why do you think you couldn’t fly your gun back in your check in baggage? I do it all the time

[Librarian]

very true, I didn't think of that, I imagine that even if I flew the 2nd time to go pick it up that I cannot board a plane with an off roster pistol right? assuming that even if I follow the proper protocols to abide by the law?

The Roster is a limitation on what a CA FFL may transfer to a CA resident; once legally transferred, the Roster has no influence on anything.

[Milsurp1]

[edgerly779]

No issues flying with handgun in checked baggage. TSA does not care if off roster. Only state wienies care. Locked hard sided case in checked luggage best for me.

[CSACANNONEER]

The seller might be able to ship it to your FFL to put on consignment. Then, you'll have to wait 30 days before you can DROS it.

[9Cal_OC]

The seller might be able to ship it to your FFL to put on consignment. Then, you'll have to wait 30 days before you can DROS it.

That could work, depending on the relationship with the FFL.

[Achelous]

The seller might be able to ship it to your FFL to put on consignment. Then, you'll have to wait 30 days before you can DROS it.

Actually, I believe you only need to wait 20 days and the last 10 days of the 30 wait can be overlapped with the DROS. It would only extend the purchase 20 days plus shipping time to the consignment FFL.

Business and Professions Code section 21636, subdivision (a), all tangible personal property acquired is subject to a 30-day holding period; a DROS transaction may be submitted on the 21st day to allow for the 10-day waiting period.

[tigerpan]

NorCal normally has better deal than SoCal