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  • Capybara
    CGSSA Coordinator
    CGN Contributor
    • Feb 2012
    • 15249

    Can a California FFL...

    Hey all:

    I'm interested in buying a new Springfield Hellion Bullpup rifle. I have an out of state middleman lined up who I can have it shipped to. That FFL will take the rifle apart, ship me everything but the receiver. I have an FFL01 here in California who is willing to receive the receiver from my out of state middleman. I would work on making all of the "evil features" compliant here, of course, before assembling the rifle once I take delivery of the receiver. So far, not too challenging. To make the Hellion Featureless, pin the stock, add a grip wrap and permanently attach a bit longer muzzle device to achieve greater than 30" OAL from the back of the stock to the tip of the permanently attached muzzle device.

    A challenge may be though I am cannot figure out if the barrel of the Hellion is press fit to the receiver or merely screwed in with a barrel nut or attached some other way? There is an exploded view in the owners manual that shows a detached barrel but the barrel fitting into the receiver looks strange, it's definitely not threaded, it has some sort of ribbed housing it appears? It appears from disassembly videos that the barrel is not easily detachable in general like an AUG, but I can't yet determine definitively how it attaches to the receiver and if my out of state middle man can merely remove the barrel, send it to me and send the receiver to my FFL or if the barrel is press fit into the receiver (Would seem weird for a military rifle where the barrel would likely need to be replaced often?) or requires some special tool, press or process to remove and re-attach the barrel to the receiver. I have an email in to Springfield Tech Support to hopefully determine this.

    My question is, if the receiver came bare to my FFL01 here, no FCG, no gas piston or bolt assembly or stock, so it would NOT be a functional rifle, just the empty receiver with a press fit barrel, would the CADOJ have issue with that if FFL01 here was to DROS it as a "Receiver" or would it have to be DROS as a "Rifle"? Is a receiver with a barrel a differentiator in how the firearms is categorized? Can a bare receiver with a permanently attached barrel still be a receiver or does that automatically make it into a rifle? Kind of like a barrel populated AK receiver with with no FCG, bolt, etc.?
    Last edited by Capybara; 03-05-2022, 10:29 PM.
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    Mtndewking
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    • Sep 2017
    • 279

    Man that's a lot of work. I would just buy one from wilde built tactical. The california-ize them for you. Just have them notify you next time they get a shipment in.

    A San Diego gun store for California Legal Guns and tactical equipment not found anywhere else. We carry the best selection California Legal Rifles, Pistols and Shotguns. Also, a well-priced source of firearms among all San Diego Gun Store.
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      Capybara
      CGSSA Coordinator
      CGN Contributor
      • Feb 2012
      • 15249

      Originally posted by Mtndewking
      Man that's a lot of work. I would just buy one from wilde built tactical. The california-ize them for you. Just have them notify you next time they get a shipment in.

      https://wbtguns.com/rifles/springfie...egal-223-5-56/
      Ha, ha! You're making it too easy for me. This is a lot simpler than DIYing it.
      Thanks. Hopefully they'll get some in stock. Good tip!
      Last edited by Capybara; 03-06-2022, 3:31 PM.
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        WildeBuiltTactical
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        • Sep 2013
        • 1993

        Working on it!
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          Capybara
          CGSSA Coordinator
          CGN Contributor
          • Feb 2012
          • 15249

          Originally posted by WildeBuiltTactical
          Working on it!
          Signed up to your mailing list, looking forward to when you get a hold of a few.
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            Capybara
            CGSSA Coordinator
            CGN Contributor
            • Feb 2012
            • 15249

            Just received an email back from Springfield customer service. They will NOT be offering a California Compliant version.

            "Good Afternoon,

            That is correct. There will not be a CA compliant Hellion.

            Angie P | Customer Service

            Team Springfield"
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              WildeBuiltTactical
              Vendor/Retailer
              • Sep 2013
              • 1993

              That never stopped us before!
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              The best San Diego Firearms Dealer!
              -We get all the Unique Rifles into CA-Legally!
              -We specialize in Custom AR-15 and Ak type builds.
              - Full Service Gun Store
              - Gunsmithing



              6045 Lake Murray Blvd
              La Mesa, CA 91942
              (619) 667-9453
              Email: sales@wbtguns.com
              Website: www.wbtguns.com

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                Capybara
                CGSSA Coordinator
                CGN Contributor
                • Feb 2012
                • 15249

                Originally posted by WildeBuiltTactical
                That never stopped us before!
                Glad you are on it!
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