Roster question - Gen 1 or 2 Glock 17

[HavaJava]

Glock 17 listed on the roster does not show which generation. Can I purchase a generation 1&2 G17 from out of state and ship to my CA FFL?

[Quiet]

Glock 17 listed on the roster does not show which generation. Can I purchase a generation 1&2 G17 from out of state and ship to my CA FFL?

If it does not come with large capacity (11+ rounds) magazines, then yes.

If it comes with large capacity magazines, then no.
^Unless you are an exempt person or if the CA FFL dealer with large capacity magazine permit that is receiving the firearm agrees to permanently alter the magazines into 10 round magazines.

For Glock pistols...
... On-Roster = Austrian made Gen 1-3
... Made in USA = off-Roster.
... Gen 4-5 = off-Roster.
... Color is not back or not OD = off-Roster.

[taperxz]

If it does not come with large capacity (11+ rounds) magazines, then yes.

If it comes with large capacity magazines, then no.
^Unless you are an exempt person or if the CA FFL dealer with large capacity magazine permit that is receiving the firearm agrees to permanently alter the magazines into 10 round magazines.

For Glock pistols...
... On-Roster = Austrian made Gen 1-3
... Made in USA = off-Roster.
... Gen 4-5 = off-Roster.
... Color is not back or not OD = off-Roster.

Can you show me please where Gen 1 and 2 glocks are still on the roster?

[BONECUTTER]

Can you show me please where Gen 1 and 2 glocks are still on the roster?

Yeah, I always felt like this is a Gray Area because there are clearly differences.

I ask DOJ and they went back to the Roster Verbiage.

No Generation 4 or Generation 5 Glock handguns have been approved as of: Tuesday, December 14, 2021

So Gen 1-3 = OK I guess.

[SkyHawk]

Can you show me please where Gen 1 and 2 glocks are still on the roster?

Show us where Gen 3 are on the roster. There is no generation specified for what is listed, all we know for sure from reading the roster is that 4 and 5 are not on roster.

[Quiet]

Can you show me please where Gen 1 and 2 glocks are still on the roster?

Show us where Gen 3 are on the roster. There is no generation specified for what is listed, all we know for sure from reading the roster is that 4 and 5 are not on roster.

What he said.


Also...
When the Roster was created, Glock did not publically/officially use a Gen system to differentiate the development of their pistols.

It wasn't until Glock released the Gen 4 pistols that they publically/officially came out with the Gen system, which was mostly copied from what users on Glock forums were using to identify the phases in development of the Glock pistol.


In addition...
Glock Gen 1-3 use the same trigger components and same magazine release system.
Glock Gen 4-5 use different trigger components and different magazine release system that are not compatible with Gen 1-3.

If an on-Roster handgun has a variant that has a different (dimensions, material, linkage, etc.) magazine well, barrel, chamber, or any component of the firearm mechanism; then that variant does not qualify for the exemption to get it listed on-Roster and that variant is considered a different handgun from the on-Roster handgun. [PC 32030(a)]

[ASD1]

The Gen 1 and Gen 2 do not have the same grip as a Gen 3

[Quiet]

The Gen 1 and Gen 2 do not have the same grip as a Gen 3

Grip angle, length, and dimensions of the magazine well are the same.

Besides the frame texture differences (Gen 1 = non-RTF / Gen 2-3 = RTF), the addition of the finger grooves on the Gen 3, makes the grip feel different than on the Gen 1-2.

[taperxz]

Show us where Gen 3 are on the roster. There is no generation specified for what is listed, all we know for sure from reading the roster is that 4 and 5 are not on roster.

What he said.


Also...
When the Roster was created, Glock did not publically/officially use a Gen system to differentiate the development of their pistols.

It wasn't until Glock released the Gen 4 pistols that they publically/officially came out with the Gen system, which was mostly copied from what users on Glock forums were using to identify the phases in development of the Glock pistol.


In addition...
Glock Gen 1-3 use the same trigger components and same magazine release system.
Glock Gen 4-5 use different trigger components and different magazine release system that are not compatible with Gen 1-3.

If an on-Roster handgun has a variant that has a different (dimensions, material, linkage, etc.) magazine well, barrel, chamber, or any component of the firearm mechanism; then that variant does not qualify for the exemption to get it listed on-Roster and that variant is considered a different handgun from the on-Roster handgun. [PC 32030(a)]

Good observations. Never noticed that.

[CM Arms]

... Color is not back or not OD = off-Roster.

I see that OD is specifically called out, but no other colors, so why would one assume that the other entry is only black if it doesn't state that specifically?

[BONECUTTER]

I see that OD is specifically called out, but no other colors, so why would one assume that the other entry is only black if it doesn't state that specifically?

There was a dealer I won't out that was DROSing FDE ones because in the DROS after selecting the (non-OD) the color Drop down has a full list of colors you can pick from.

[Quiet]

I see that OD is specifically called out, but no other colors, so why would one assume that the other entry is only black if it doesn't state that specifically?

Black was the standard color, before they made pistols in other colors, and when the CA Roster was created black was the only color available from Glock.

OD is specifically called out, because Glock added them to the Roster using an exemption. [PC 32030(b)]

[CM Arms]

There was a dealer I won't out that was DROSing FDE ones because in the DROS after selecting the (non-OD) the color Drop down has a full list of colors you can pick from.

How did that work out for them?

[BONECUTTER]

How did that work out for them?

They don't do it anymore....but don't know if they got in trouble or just wised up.