What could I do with a C&R in CA

[pcox]

Curious if this buys me anything other than getting C&R guns shipped directly to my home? Would it allow me to get non C&R ammo shipped? Anything else? Someone had mentioned getting one in a conversation I was having, and I am not sure of the benefit of it in CA.

Any info is appreciated.

Phil

[CalifEd]

This has been discussed in detail over at the
Calguns.net > FIREARMS DISCUSSIONS > Curio & Relic/Black Powder forum.

The short answer is that under most circumstances, you will need to go through a FFL01 for all gun purchases.

Some of the exemptions/benefits are 1 in 30exemption, cash and carry for C&R's, ordering ammo online and getting home delivery. There are others.

Check out that forum for more detail

[Helpful_Cub]

You need a COE from CA Dept of Justice along with an FFL3 to get it shipped to you directly. On the plus side, if you already have an FFL3 (several month wait) getting a COE is normally quick at less than a week. It's basically doing a Lifescan and paying to submit the data.

[cz74]

For within CA and for C&R long guns only, the seller can ship to your home, and you need to register it on CFARS within 10 days I believe. C&R Handguns still need go through FFL dealer.

[Wheellock]

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=1495389

Here is the thread mentioned above. I think it is worth it.

[Rakso]

COE has taken weeks for me, still pending on my 4th week.

[microwaveguy]

COE has taken weeks for me, still pending on my 4th week.

My COE renewal took 45 days last time (2020). The prior year 2 days.

[Rakso]

My COE renewal took 45 days last time (2020). The prior year 2 days.

Absurd

[Quiet]

Curious if this buys me anything other than getting C&R guns shipped directly to my home? Would it allow me to get non C&R ammo shipped? Anything else? Someone had mentioned getting one in a conversation I was having, and I am not sure of the benefit of it in CA.

Under current CA laws...

Exemptions for a CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE:
1. No 10 day waiting period when acquiring a C&R firearm from a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27670]
2. No 1 in 30 day wait on handguns and semi-auto centerfire rifles. [PC 27535(b)(9)]
3. Can be used as proof of CA residency. [PC 26845(b) & 11 CCR 4045 d.1.]
4. When acquiring C&R firearms, it is an exemption to needing a valid Firearm Safety Certificate. [PC 31700(a)(6)]
5. When acquiring C&R firearms, it is an exemption to needing to do a safe handling demonstration. [PC 26850(h) & 26860(g)]
6. Acquiring a C&R long gun inside of CA without needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27966]
7. Acquiring ammunition from another exempt person without needing to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30312(c)(6)]
9. Either online or in person, importing ammunition acquired out-of-state without needing to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30312(c)(6) & 30314(b)(5)]

Exemptions for a CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL:
1. Importing a C&R firearm that they physically acquire while outside of CA without needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27585(b)(1) & 27565]


Therefore...

If the firearm is a C&R handgun, then it must be transferred to you through a CA FFL dealer.

If the firearm is a C&R long gun and it is being shipped from outside of CA, then it must be transferred to you through a CA FFL dealer.

If the firearm is a C&R Long gun that is located within CA and not in the inventory of a CA FFL dealer, then it can be transferred directly to you.
^It can be transferred via face-to-face or via shipment to the address listed on your 03-FFL.

[IronsightsRifleman]

Under current CA laws...

Exemptions for a CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL and valid COE:
1. No 10 day waiting period when acquiring a C&R firearm from a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27670]
2. No 1 in 30 day wait on handguns and semi-auto centerfire rifles. [PC 27535(b)(9)]
3. Can be used as proof of CA residency. [PC 26845(b) & 11 CCR 4045 d.1.]
4. When acquiring C&R firearms, it is an exemption to needing a valid Firearm Safety Certificate. [PC 31700(a)(6)]
5. When acquiring C&R firearms, it is an exemption to needing to do a safe handling demonstration. [PC 26850(h) & 26860(g)]
6. Acquiring a C&R long gun inside of CA without needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27966]
7. Acquiring ammunition from another exempt person without needing to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30312(c)(6)]
9. Either online or in person, importing ammunition acquired out-of-state without needing to utilize a CA DOJ licensed ammunition vendor. [PC 30312(c)(6) & 30314(b)(5)]

Exemptions for a CA resident with a valid C&R 03-FFL:
1. Importing a C&R firearm that they physically acquire while outside of CA without needing to utilize a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27585(b)(1) & 27565]


Therefore...

If the firearm is a C&R handgun, then it must be transferred to you through a CA FFL dealer.

If the firearm is a C&R long gun and it is being shipped from outside of CA, then it must be transferred to you through a CA FFL dealer.

If the firearm is a C&R Long gun that is located within CA and not in the inventory of a CA FFL dealer, then it can be transferred directly to you.
^It can be transferred via face-to-face or via shipment to the address listed on your 03-FFL.

That's a pretty good summary. But I take issue with just one point, the phrase "physically acquire" in regard to out-of-state long gun purchases, and your subsequent conclusion. The phrase used in the law is "actual possession" not "physical possession". Those are two entirely different things.

[Quiet]

That's a pretty good summary. But I take issue with just one point, the phrase "physically acquire" in regard to out-of-state long gun purchases, and your subsequent conclusion. The phrase used in the law is "actual possession" not "physical possession". Those are two entirely different things.

Penal Code 27565
(a) This section applies in the following circumstances:
(1) A person is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(2) The licensed premises of that person are within this state.
(3) The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.
(4) The licensed collector takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports the firearm into this state.
(5) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(b) Within five days of transporting a firearm into this state under the circumstances described in subdivision (a), the licensed collector shall report the acquisition of that firearm to the department in a format prescribed by the department.

[pcox]

All, great info. Thanks for the pointer to the other discussion.

[marme]

That's a pretty good summary. But I take issue with just one point, the phrase "physically acquire" in regard to out-of-state long gun purchases, and your subsequent conclusion. The phrase used in the law is "actual possession" not "physical possession". Those are two entirely different things.

in legal speak "Actual Possession" means physically holding the object. There are SCOTUS cases that can be cited laying out this definition so dont think there is any way you can argue differently with the CA DoJ https://legal-dictionary.thefreedict...ual+possession