FSC Exemption Code & Off Roster Questions

[Nardo1895]

Doing my first LEO transfers and have a couple questions I'm hoping you can help me with.

X31 is the FSC Exemption Code for a CA Peace Officer. How broadly is that to be interpreted? I'm thinking about the three classes of people who can purchase Off Roster handguns. Does any of that matter for the FSC exemption? What documentation do I need for this exemption?

I will also be doing an Off roster transfer from a Category 1 LEO to a private citizen. I remember reading that many agencies don't allow you to copy a LEO's credentials. I think I remember that a business card will work. True?

What about their CDL? I normally keep a copy of the CDL because my card reader seldom gets all the information correct.

Thanks

[ronlglock]

FSC Exemption Code & Off Roster Questions

Unfortunately it is now a minefield because of the different categories of peace officers. Some can buy and sell and some cannot buy and sell:

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/exemptpo

[XxWoodsHunterxX]

FSC Exemption Code & Off Roster Questions

Category 2is the ones that cannot ppt to non leo.


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[RCxRC]

I've had FFL's copy my work ID (credential; both sides) and CDL dozens of times. CDL must have home address on it or have other proof of residence, like anyone else.

At one time not so long ago, LEO's were exempt from showing proof of residence (Dept LEO ID sufficed), and also were allowed to have their "work / department address" listed for the DROS transaction instead of the personal residence, but both practices are no longer allowed (as far as I've been told by several FFL's).

Category / Tier / Group #

1: LEO can still purchase off-roster handgun for personal use, and can transfer to any eligible / qualified private party through PPT.

2: Can only purchase off-roster handgun for "use as a service weapon" (some agencies that may include on, off, and backup handguns), and can only transfer off-roster handguns purchased using their LEO exemption via PPT to another LEO (Cat / Tier / Group 1-3). "Also note, sworn members of Group 2 entities may only resell or transfer a non-roster handgun to sworn members of Group 1, Group 2 or Group 3 entities." (Per DOJ letter)

3: Agency only may purchase off-roster handgun for LEO use within that Agency. LEO cannot make new off-roster FA purchase individually. They can PPT purchase an off-roster handgun (personal use) from Tier 1-3 LEO. (This section appears to have been added simply to provide some legal / liability protection to the "tier 3" agencies due to their continued use of "off-roster handguns" for duty use by their officers. It did nothing to help individual officers of those agencies to purchase off-roster handguns for themselves, with the exception of a PPT purchase of an off-roster handgun from another LEO.)

Just another carve-out set aside created by 830.1 and .2 agencies, to the exclusion of everyone else, even other LEO's. Regardless of being considered "Tier 2", I average more arrests and citations than probably half the "city" and "county" officers/deputies in the state, and certainly way more than a CDC Corrections Officer. It's also nuts that I had more "rights" to purchase an "off-roster handgun" when I was an Army M.P. or DOD Police Officer (now considered Tier 1) than I do now. I've been told by someone at DOJ FA Unit (a Supervisor) that "tier 2 and 3" personnel were never really supposed to have been "allowed" exemptions from the beginning of the off-roster restrictions, but that somehow that part of the original legislation was left out. So this is all supposedly just a "correction" that they've been waiting to make for awhile. Ridiculous that we're looked down upon like that, but soon enough I won't be dealing with this garbage any longer. Taking my pension, taxes, and hobby somewhere else. Born and raised here, but I'm done. And yes, I agree none of this garbage ever should have been heaped upon the citizens of this state to begin with. There shouldn't have had to be a roster for anyone. Just pure, political gamesmanship. None of these laws, from AW's, to magazine limits, to ammunition purchasing restrictions has done a damn thing to help save one life in this state. Red-Flag laws, yes, in a few justifiable cases (observed from personal experience with GVRO's).

But then, that is the whole idea, right CA state legislators? The ultimate "cancel culture" move.

[taperxz]

I've had FFL's copy my work ID (credential; both sides) and CDL dozens of times. CDL must have home address on it or have other proof of residence, like anyone else.

At one time not so long ago, LEO's were exempt from showing proof of residence (Dept LEO ID sufficed), and also were allowed to have their "work / department address" listed for the DROS transaction instead of the personal residence, but both practices are no longer allowed (as far as I've been told by several FFL's).

Category / Tier / Group #

1: LEO can still purchase off-roster handgun for personal use, and can transfer to any eligible / qualified private party through PPT.

2: Can only purchase off-roster handgun for "use as a service weapon" (some agencies that may include on, off, and backup handguns), and can only transfer off-roster handguns purchased using their LEO exemption via PPT to another LEO (Cat / Tier / Group 1-3). "Also note, sworn members of Group 2 entities may only resell or transfer a non-roster handgun to sworn members of Group 1, Group 2 or Group 3 entities." (Per DOJ letter)

3: Agency only may purchase off-roster handgun for LEO use within that Agency. LEO cannot make new off-roster FA purchase individually. They can PPT purchase an off-roster handgun (personal use) from Tier 1-3 LEO. (This section appears to have been added simply to provide some legal / liability protection to the "tier 3" agencies due to their continued use of "off-roster handguns" for duty use by their officers. It did nothing to help individual officers of those agencies to purchase off-roster handguns for themselves, with the exception of a PPT purchase of an off-roster handgun from another LEO.)

Just another carve-out set aside created by 830.1 and .2 agencies, to the exclusion of everyone else, even other LEO's. Regardless of being considered "Tier 2", I average more arrests and citations than probably half the "city" and "county" officers/deputies in the state, and certainly way more than a CDC Corrections Officer. It's also nuts that I had more "rights" to purchase an "off-roster handgun" when I was an Army M.P. or DOD Police Officer (now considered Tier 1) than I do now. I've been told by someone at DOJ FA Unit (a Supervisor) that "tier 2 and 3" personnel were never really supposed to have been "allowed" exemptions from the beginning of the off-roster restrictions, but that somehow that part of the original legislation was left out. So this is all supposedly just a "correction" that they've been waiting to make for awhile. Ridiculous that we're looked down upon like that, but soon enough I won't be dealing with this garbage any longer. Taking my pension, taxes, and hobby somewhere else. Born and raised here, but I'm done. And yes, I agree none of this garbage ever should have been heaped upon the citizens of this state to begin with. There shouldn't have had to be a roster for anyone. Just pure, political gamesmanship. None of these laws, from AW's, to magazine limits, to ammunition purchasing restrictions has done a damn thing to help save one life in this state. Red-Flag laws, yes, in a few justifiable cases (observed from personal experience with GVRO's).

But then, that is the whole idea, right CA state legislators? The ultimate "cancel culture" move.

[RCxRC]

So functionally is that the same thing (besides showing residency PPW to the FFL to show "residency")? Or is there a difference between what the FFL puts into the DES (DROS Entry System; for state purposes) and what is on the 4473?

Both regular FFL's I've been using regularly insist the "station address" thing is a thing of the past. Their .02 cents.

(Not an FFL. Going on what FFL's have told me...)