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  • chevy_dog
    Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 493

    PPT 50 gun collection

    I have a customer who's friend died and his wife wants to transfer the husband's collection over to him. I'm home based FFL01 and never done a multiple PPT. Because of PPT, 1 in 30 is exempt and roster is exempt. I will need to fill out a multiple handgun and semiauto rifle form and send to the ATF, make sure all the guns are California compliant, but what else?

    Questions:

    1. Is the seller limited in the amount of transfers per calendar year?

    2. Do all this on one 4473 form with attachment?

    3. What are the issues with the wife of the deceased owner selling these PPT?

    4. What else am I missing?

    Thanks.
  • #2
    SkyHawk
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Sep 2012
    • 23513

    1. A surviving spouse has a window of time to sell, where there are no limits to the number of guns or transactions. PC26515(a)(3)

    In any case, the limit is 50 guns per calendar year for anyone, sold in up to 5 transactions. PC16730

    3. No issues that I can think of, if she has CA ID or DL
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    • #3
      FRANK GOMEZ
      Junior Member
      • Mar 2006
      • 90

      Originally posted by SkyHawk
      1. A surviving spouse has a window of time to sell, where there are no limits to the number of guns or transactions. PC26515(a)(3)

      In any case, the limit is 50 guns per calendar year for anyone, sold in up to 5 transactions. PC16730

      3. No issues that I can think of, if she has CA ID or DL

      What can be done if my father or grand father dies? And my mother or grandmother wants me to take possession of the guns ?

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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30241

        Originally posted by FRANK GOMEZ
        What can be done if my father or grand father dies? And my mother or grandmother wants me to take possession of the guns ?
        Once the surviving spouse acquires the firearms, the surviving spouse has 30 days to report all the firearms to CA DOJ BOF. [PC 27920(a)(2)]
        ^This is done by submitting a Report of Operation of Law.

        If the suriving spouse transfers the firearms before the 30 day window ends, then there is no need to report the firearms to CA DOJ BOF.
        ^Any firearms that are kept in their possession after the 30 days must be reported. There is no penalty for reporting after the 30 day window.

        All firearms that the surviving spouse transfers within 60 days do not count towards the limits a non-FFL can do in a calendar year. [PC 26515(a)(3),(b)]

        Firearms that the surviving spouse transfers after the 60 day window count towards the limits a non-FFL can do in a calendar year. [PC 26520(a)]
        ^Limits are less than six transaction per calendar year with no more than 50 firearms total. [PC 16730]

        Firearms that the surviving spouse transfers must be done through a CA FFL dealer or an out-of-state FFL dealer. [PC 27545]
        Exemption to this, if the person receiving the firearm is a non-prohibited 18+ year old immediate family member of the surviving spouse. That immediate family member needs to have a valid FSC or exemption to the FSC and must report the transfer to CA DOJ within 30 days of receiving the firearm. [PC 27875(a)]
        ^This is done by submitting a Report of Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction.

        Within 90 days, one of the following must be done with firearms that are RAWs that the surviving spouse acquires and does not have joint registration of:
        A. Render them permanently inoperable.
        B. Transfer the RAW to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit or an out-of-state FFL dealer.
        C. Transport the RAW out of CA for storage in another State or to transfer through an out-of-state FFL dealer.
        D. Surrender the RAW to law enforcement for destruction.
        The 90 day window is an exemption period that allows the surviving spouse to legally possess and transfer the RAW. After the 90 day window ends, that exemption is void and they will be in felony possession of an assault weapon, if they still have the RAW.
        Last edited by Quiet; 02-18-2021, 2:07 AM.
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        • #5
          FRANK GOMEZ
          Junior Member
          • Mar 2006
          • 90

          Originally posted by Quiet
          Once the surviving spouse acquires the firearms, the surviving spouse has 30 days to report all the firearms to CA DOJ BOF. [PC 27920(a)(2)]
          ^This is done by submitting a Report of Operation of Law.

          If the suriving spouse transfers the firearms before the 30 day window ends, then there is no need to report the firearms to CA DOJ BOF.
          ^Any firearms that are kept in their possession after the 30 days must be reported. There is no penalty for reporting after the 30 day window.

          All firearms that the surviving spouse transfers within 60 days do not count towards the limits a non-FFL can do in a calendar year. [PC 26515(a)(3),(b)]

          Firearms that the surviving spouse transfers after the 60 day window count towards the limits a non-FFL can do in a calendar year. [PC 26520(a)]
          ^Limits are less than six transaction per calendar year with no more than 50 firearms total. [PC 16730]

          Firearms that the surviving spouse transfers must be done through a CA FFL dealer or an out-of-state FFL dealer. [PC 27545]
          Exemption to this, if the person receiving the firearm is a non-prohibited 18+ year old immediate family member of the surviving spouse. That immediate family member needs to have a valid FSC or exemption to the FSC and must report the transfer to CA DOJ within 30 days of receiving the firearm. [PC 27875(a)]
          ^This is done by submitting a Report of Intra-Familial Firearm Transaction.

          Within 90 days, one of the following must be done with firearms that are RAWs that the surviving spouse acquires and does not have joint registration of:
          A. Render them permanently inoperable.
          B. Transfer the RAW to a CA FFL dealer with an assault weapons permit or an out-of-state FFL dealer.
          C. Transport the RAW out of CA for storage in another State or to transfer through an out-of-state FFL dealer.
          D. Surrender the RAW to law enforcement for destruction.
          The 90 day window is an exemption period that allows the surviving spouse to legally possess and transfer the RAW. After the 90 day window ends, that exemption is void and they will be in felony possession of an assault weapon, if they still have the RAW.

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