CA resident with AZ ID

[Wyseguy]

A friend of mine just asked me a question that I'm sure the answer is no, but might as well ask you knowledgable people.
He and his girlfriend went to AZ last week, and she bought a Hellcat for herself, and a Sig P220 for him. She has an AZ ID, and a CA DL. Right now, she has both firearms in her possession. He thinks that she can PPT the P220 to him because she has a CA DL, but I told him that I believe that the firearm must be listed under her name in CA. Can she just do the PPT? Also, he said she has a CCW, and wants to put the Hellcat on her CCW when she renews, but I told him that the same thing applies, and it must be listed in her name first. Is there a way for her, as an existing CA resident, to legally purchase a firearm in AZ, and then DROS it (or whatever she needs to do) in CA?
Any direction on this would help.

[9Cal_OC]

Well Wiseguy, you’re intuition to say no is correct.

Make sure those firearms stay in AZ. They cannot be imported into CA.

Must be transferred to a CA FFL for transfer, and the roster applies.

[P5Ret]

Got bigger problems than being able to PPT them. She can't bring them into CA without them going to an FFL first to transfer to her. She has a CA DL you can bet CA considers her to be a resident, making 27585 CPC applicable, violation is a felony for a handgun.

27585. (a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that the person purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless the person first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

[9Cal_OC]

Got bigger problems than being able to PPT them. She can't bring them into CA without them going to an FFL first to transfer to her. She has a CA DL you can bet CA considers her to be a resident, making 27585 CPC applicable, violation is a felony for a per handgun.

27585. (a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that the person purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless the person first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.

Thanks for the citation. Made a quick fix.

[acespawnshop]

Yeah. Leave it alone. 27585 says no.

[Rustlin’ Jack]

We are very familiar with 27585 (a), but it continues with the exemptions to it under (b). Exemption 14 (D) would seem to allow a handgun to be imported if it is listed on the CCW permit. My question is, how would one include it on the CCW permit before importing it, unless the CCW agency allows out of state qualification? This seems to be a chicken and egg situation.

I am not advocating that this section applies in the OP’s girlfriend case, rather I wonder if anyone can shed some light on how this exemption would be practically be put to use. On face value, the exemption appears to clear a path for importing a handgun, but, this being California, nothing can be that simple.


(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:

(14) The importation, transportation, or bringing of a firearm into the state by a person who meets any of the following criteria:

(D) If the firearm is a handgun, the person has a license to carry that handgun pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5 and the person is licensed to carry that handgun.

[P5Ret]

Sounds more like a carrot and stick situation, it's within reach, but there is no way in hell you'll actually ever reach it.

I imagine if there exists an IA in Ca that doesn't run the guns though AFS, it would be possible. Does that IA exist is the real question?

[SkyHawk]

We are very familiar with 27585 (a), but it continues with the exemptions to it under (b). Exemption 14 (D) would seem to allow a handgun to be imported if it is listed on the CCW permit. My question is, how would one include it on the CCW permit before importing it, unless the CCW agency allows out of state qualification? This seems to be a chicken and egg situation.

I am not advocating that this section applies in the OP’s girlfriend case, rather I wonder if anyone can shed some light on how this exemption would be practically be put to use. On face value, the exemption appears to clear a path for importing a handgun, but, this being California, nothing can be that simple.


(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:

(14) The importation, transportation, or bringing of a firearm into the state by a person who meets any of the following criteria:

(D) If the firearm is a handgun, the person has a license to carry that handgun pursuant to Chapter 4 (commencing with Section 26150) of Division 5 and the person is licensed to carry that handgun.

Unless it is already on the permit, then that exception does not apply. That exemption is probably for 'special' people. Because a normal person has no way to add a gun to CCW unless they qualify with it and have an IA approved instructor sign off and then submits a permit modification request and receives a new permit.

[superhondaz50]

As others have said, PC doesn't allow those guns to cross state lines. No way around it.

[edgerly779]

She will be committing a felony likely already has.

[1911RONIN]

Obligatory ATF meme


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[1911RONIN]

A friend of mine just asked me a question that I'm sure the answer is no, but might as well ask you knowledgable people.
He and his girlfriend went to AZ last week, and she bought a Hellcat for herself, and a Sig P220 for him. She has an AZ ID, and a CA DL. Right now, she has both firearms in her possession. He thinks that she can PPT the P220 to him because she has a CA DL, but I told him that I believe that the firearm must be listed under her name in CA. Can she just do the PPT? Also, he said she has a CCW, and wants to put the Hellcat on her CCW when she renews, but I told him that the same thing applies, and it must be listed in her name first. Is there a way for her, as an existing CA resident, to legally purchase a firearm in AZ, and then DROS it (or whatever she needs to do) in CA?
Any direction on this would help.

Your friends are inches away from prison. Period.


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[Rustlin’ Jack]

Unless it is already on the permit, then that exception does not apply. That exemption is probably for 'special' people. Because a normal person has no way to add a gun to CCW unless they qualify with it and have an IA approved instructor sign off and then submits a permit modification request and receives a new permit.

[Tyke8319]

A friend of mine just asked me a question that I'm sure the answer is no, but might as well ask you knowledgable people.
He and his girlfriend went to AZ last week, and she bought a Hellcat for herself, and a Sig P220 for him. She has an AZ ID, and a CA DL. Right now, she has both firearms in her possession. He thinks that she can PPT the P220 to him because she has a CA DL, but I told him that I believe that the firearm must be listed under her name in CA. Can she just do the PPT? Also, he said she has a CCW, and wants to put the Hellcat on her CCW when she renews, but I told him that the same thing applies, and it must be listed in her name first. Is there a way for her, as an existing CA resident, to legally purchase a firearm in AZ, and then DROS it (or whatever she needs to do) in CA?
Any direction on this would help.

It also sounds pretty close to a "straw purchase" if he winds up with it.
10 years in Fed. Prison and a $250,000.00 fine.