Magazine Fed Semi Auto Shotguns

[QuinnBayArea]

Am I right that Magazine fed, semi auto shotguns are considered AW's and it doesn't matter if they have pistol grips or collapsing stocks? Got a customer trying to ship me a Saiga 12G magazine fed semi auto shotgun.

[theLBC]

there are "california legal" versions

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Penal Code section 30515 says:

(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, “assault weapon” also means any of the following:
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:

(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

Paragraph 6 and paragraph 7 are separate.

So any semi-automatic shotgun with a detachable magazine, regardless of features is an assault weapon.

And any semi-shotgun shotgun with a pistol grip and a non-fixed stock is an assault weapon, regardless of it having a fixed or detachable magazine.

The Legislature forgot to change the assault weapon definition for shotguns when it changed the law about bullet buttons, so supposedly California DOJ fixed it with a regulation.

11 CCR 5471(a) says: "“Ability to accept a detachable magazine” means with respect to a semiautomatic shotgun, it does not have a fixed magazine."

[ronlglock]

Magazine Fed Semi Auto Shotguns

Models from Saiga, Kel-Tec and of course the 14-shot DP12 are CA legal. Some are pump.

[Quiet]

Am I right that Magazine fed, semi auto shotguns are considered AW's and it doesn't matter if they have pistol grips or collapsing stocks? Got a customer trying to ship me a Saiga 12G magazine fed semi auto shotgun.

Penal Code section 30515 says:

(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

Correct.

Semi-auto shotguns that do not have a fixed magazine are considered assault weapons. [PC 30515(a)(7)]

In order to be CA legal, semi-auto shotgun must have a fixed magazine that can not be removed without disassembling the firearm's action or that is permanently attached in the firearm's magazine well.

[Brown Guy]

[XxWoodsHunterxX]

The RIA VR80 comes in a ca compliant model


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[jorgi23]

Fostech Origin 12?

looking for a magazine lock?

Hoping to purchase by PPT.

its simply impossible to make it legal right now.

treat it like an AR, go featureless?

maybe pin the magazine?

any ideas out there?

[Quiet]

Fostech Origin 12?

looking for a magazine lock?

Hoping to purchase by PPT.

its simply impossible to make it legal right now.

treat it like an AR, go featureless?

maybe pin the magazine?

any ideas out there?

Currently, there are no commerically available devices that would make it a fixed magazine and the only method to make it into a fixed magazine is to permanently attach (weld/epoxy/rivet) a magazine into the magazine well.

For semi-auto shotguns, not having a fixed magazine is a restricted feature.
Which means, in order to be "featureless", it must have a fixed magazine and it can not have a folding/telescoping stock and it can not have a revolving cylinder.

[Valdor]

Check out this speed loader video for Vr80 shotgun mags. Pretty cool

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5XRxvdOdyuI

[BoingoInsanity]

My question about this that I can't find anywhere, is that if you have a semi auto shotgun, with a fixed stock, fixed magazine, can you have both a pistol grip and vertical foregrip? They are both in the same category (B), and how I read it is that you can't have both (A) and (B), so I would imagine having 2 in the same category should be okay? I would assume it would say one of the following or something to more clearly designate that.

Penal Code section 30515 says:

(a) Notwithstanding Section 30510, ?assault weapon? also means any of the following:
(6) A semiautomatic shotgun that has both of the following:

(A) A folding or telescoping stock.
(B) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon, thumbhole stock, or vertical handgrip.

(7) A semiautomatic shotgun that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine.

Paragraph 6 and paragraph 7 are separate.

So any semi-automatic shotgun with a detachable magazine, regardless of features is an assault weapon.

And any semi-shotgun shotgun with a pistol grip and a non-fixed stock is an assault weapon, regardless of it having a fixed or detachable magazine.

The Legislature forgot to change the assault weapon definition for shotguns when it changed the law about bullet buttons, so supposedly California DOJ fixed it with a regulation.

11 CCR 5471(a) says: "?Ability to accept a detachable magazine? means with respect to a semiautomatic shotgun, it does not have a fixed magazine."

[Quiet]

My question about this that I can't find anywhere, is that if you have a semi auto shotgun, with a fixed stock, fixed magazine, can you have both a pistol grip and vertical foregrip? They are both in the same category (B), and how I read it is that you can't have both (A) and (B), so I would imagine having 2 in the same category should be okay? I would assume it would say one of the following or something to more clearly designate that.

Yes, it is CA legal for a semi-auto shotgun with a fixed magazine and a fixed shoulder stock to also have a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, and/or any type of vertical grip.

If the semi-auto shotgun has a fixed shoulder stock, then it can also legally have a pistol grip and any type of vertical grip.
If the semi-auto shotgun has a fixed shoulder stock, then it can also legally have a thumbhole stock and any type of vertical grip.

[D_K]

Am I right that Magazine fed, semi auto shotguns are considered AW's and it doesn't matter if they have pistol grips or collapsing stocks? Got a customer trying to ship me a Saiga 12G magazine fed semi auto shotgun.

Not true dude. I have a piece of crap vr80 12 gauge that's fixed mag that is California compliant