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[kemasa]

What about the state? The LEO exemption isn't based in federal law. It's based in state law.



Please note the language within 18 USC 701 doesn't restrict the "regulations adopted pursuant to law" only to those adopted pursuant to federal law.

Federal law says no copying federal IDs. The state can't bypass that.

[RickD427]

Federal law says no copying federal IDs. The state can't bypass that.

Nope. You've mis-stated the federal law. The federal law says no copying of federal ID unless permitted by regulations adopted pursuant to law (and not restricted to federal law). Please see Post #13 for an exact quote of what the federal law is.

The state can adopt the needed regs to comply with the federal law. They're not bypassing nothing.

[taperxz]

Nope. You've mis-stated the federal law. The federal law says no copying of federal ID unless permitted by regulations adopted pursuant to law (and not restricted to federal law). Please see Post #13 for an exact quote of what the federal law is.

The state can adopt the needed regs to comply with the federal law. They're not bypassing nothing.

Regardless of your opinion of the law, CAL DOJ BOF instructs us to not copy them but to write down the information on the Fed ID and retain it with DROS paperwork and if possible, a business card.

[RickD427]

Regardless of your opinion of the law, CAL DOJ BOF instructs us to not copy them but to write down the information on the Fed ID and retain it with DROS paperwork and if possible, a business card.

Copy that. Also please note from my initial posting on the subject that I'm not familiar with California's FFL regs and that I have not asserted that there is a California reg permitting the copying of a federal ID. I was merely pointing out that it is incorrect to make a blanket statement that the law prohibits the copying of a federal ID.

[taperxz]

Copy that. Also please note from my initial posting on the subject that I'm not familiar with California's FFL regs and that I have not asserted that there is a California reg permitting the copying of a federal ID. I was merely pointing out that it is incorrect to make a blanket statement that the law prohibits the copying of a federal ID.

[kemasa]

Copy that. Also please note from my initial posting on the subject that I'm not familiar with California's FFL regs and that I have not asserted that there is a California reg permitting the copying of a federal ID. I was merely pointing out that it is incorrect to make a blanket statement that the law prohibits the copying of a federal ID.

The discussion is with respect to firearm transfers.

[acespawnshop]

........the only copy of any document that I can remember of right now is a copy being retained for a visa holder which is their required hunting license for 4473/Fed requirements

Interesting. We've done a couple of those over the years and we only documented it on 18c of the 4473 and we write CA hunting license, with the valid dates and their GO ID number in there. Its passed the mustard on all my ATF inspections. We've never kept a photocopy for ATF for anything.

[kemasa]

Interesting. We've done a couple of those over the years and we only documented it on 18c of the 4473 and we write CA hunting license, with the valid dates and their GO ID number in there. Its passed the mustard on all my ATF inspections. We've never kept a photocopy for ATF for anything.

There is no requirement by the BATF to keep a copy of anything, just write it down. That isn't to say an IOI will say otherwise, but if you ask for the regulation, ...

[taperxz]

There is no requirement by the BATF to keep a copy of anything, just write it down. That isn't to say an IOI will say otherwise, but if you ask for the regulation, ...

I was asked to staple a copy of it.

[kemasa]

I was asked to staple a copy of it.

I was told to turn in all my records because I moved and the FFL number changed. It was bogus as the person at the out of business records said.

Saying it is one thing, backing it up with the actual requirements in writing is quite another.

[taperxz]

I was told to turn in all my records because I moved and the FFL number changed. It was bogus as the person at the out of business records said.

Saying it is one thing, backing it up with the actual requirements in writing is quite another.

Me copying it isn’t a big deal. The state wants it too. The State actually calls you to give them the details of what state, number on license and expiration. So, I keep a copy