FFL off-roster transfer to owner

[neffect]

Can an FFL do an off-roster transfer to themselves is CA? Example, you have a demo piece you want to take for personal use.

[ugimports]

No, unless you are exempt.

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[taperxz]

Can an FFL do an off-roaster transfer to themselves is CA? Example, you have a demo piece you want to take for personal use.

No, but a broiler is perfectly legit.

[Tyke8319]

No, but a broiler is perfectly legit.

I GOT IT!!!!

[ronlglock]

Can an FFL do an off-roster transfer to themselves is CA? Example, you have a demo piece you want to take for personal use.

I'm pretty sure there is another very long thread on this topic, but in summary there is no reason that your FFL cannot have demo firearms in their A&D which you borrow.

However, if you have multiple employees, you probably want to log them in and out between the FFL A&D and the personal A&D as they travel from store to range so that a surprise visit when they are out doesn't catch them missing.

[neffect]

I'm pretty sure there is another very long thread on this topic, but in summary there is no reason that your FFL cannot have demo firearms in their A&D which you borrow.

However, if you have multiple employees, you probably want to log them in and out between the FFL A&D and the personal A&D as they travel from store to range so that a surprise visit when they are out doesn't catch them missing.

Are any FFL owners using a separate FFL (Exempted Federal Firearms Licensees) for guns stored at home vs guns stored at your shop?

Spoke with DOJ and they said if you take anything home you need a separate FFL for that. Just when you think CA cant make any more laws.

[Quiet]

Are any FFL owners using a separate FFL (Exempted Federal Firearms Licensees) for guns stored at home vs guns stored at your shop?

Spoke with DOJ and they said if you take anything home you need a separate FFL for that. Just when you think CA cant make any more laws.

Applicable CA laws...


Penal Code 26805
(a) Except as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c), the business of a licensee shall be conducted only in the buildings designated in the license.
(b)(1) A person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 and 26705 may take possession of firearms and commence preparation of registers for the sale, delivery, or transfer of firearms at any gun show or event, as defined in Section 478.100 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor, if the gun show or event is not conducted from any motorized or towed vehicle. A person conducting business pursuant to this subdivision shall be entitled to conduct business as authorized herein at any gun show or event in the state, without regard to the jurisdiction within this state that issued the license pursuant to Sections 26700 and 26705, provided the person complies with all applicable laws, including, but not limited to, the waiting period specified in subdivision (a) of Section 26815, and all applicable local laws, regulations, and fees, if any.
(2) A person conducting business pursuant to this subdivision shall publicly display the person’s license issued pursuant to Sections 26700 and 26705, or a facsimile thereof, at any gun show or event, as specified in this subdivision.
(c)(1) A person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 and 26705 may engage in the sale and transfer of firearms other than handguns, at events specified in Sections 27900 and 27905, subject to the prohibitions and restrictions contained in those sections.
(2) A person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 and 26705 may also accept delivery of firearms other than handguns, outside the building designated in the license, provided the firearm is being donated for the purpose of sale or transfer at an auction, raffle, or similar event specified in Section 27900.
(d) The firearm may be delivered to the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm at one of the following places:
(1) The building designated in the license.
(2) The places specified in subdivision (b) or (c).
(3) The place of residence of, the fixed place of business of, or on private property owned or lawfully possessed by, the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm.

Penal Code 26885
(a) Except as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c) of Section 26805, all firearms that are in the inventory of a licensee shall be kept within the licensed location.
(b) Within 48 hours of discovery, a licensee shall report the loss or theft of any of the following items to the appropriate law enforcement agency in the city, county, or city and county where the licensee’s business premises are located:
(1) Any firearm or ammunition that is merchandise of the licensee.
(2) Any firearm or ammunition that the licensee takes possession of pursuant to Chapter 5 (commencing with Section 28050), or pursuant to Section 30312.
(3) Any firearm or ammunition kept at the licensee’s place of business.

Penal Code 26890
(a) Except as provided in subdivisions (b) and (c) of Section 26805, any time when the licensee is not open for business, all inventory firearms shall be stored in the licensed location. All firearms shall be secured using one of the following methods as to each particular firearm:
(1) Store the firearm in a secure facility that is a part of, or that constitutes, the licensee’s business premises.
(2) Secure the firearm with a hardened steel rod or cable of at least one-eighth inch in diameter through the trigger guard of the firearm. The steel rod or cable shall be secured with a hardened steel lock that has a shackle. The lock and shackle shall be protected or shielded from the use of a boltcutter and the rod or cable shall be anchored in a manner that prevents the removal of the firearm from the premises.
(3) Store the firearm in a locked fireproof safe or vault in the licensee’s business premises.
(b) The licensing authority in an unincorporated area of a county or within a city may impose security requirements that are more strict or are at a higher standard than those specified in subdivision (a).
(c) Upon written request from a licensee, the licensing authority may grant an exemption from compliance with the requirements of subdivision (a) if the licensee is unable to comply with those requirements because of local ordinances, covenants, lease conditions, or similar circumstances not under the control of the licensee.
(d) Subdivisions (a) and (b) shall not apply to a licensee organized as a nonprofit public benefit corporation pursuant to Part 2 (commencing with Section 5110) of Division 2 of Title 1 of the Corporations Code, or as a mutual benefit corporation pursuant to Part 3 (commencing with Section 7110) of Division 2 of Title 1 of the Corporations Code, if both of the following conditions are satisfied:
(1) The nonprofit public benefit or mutual benefit corporation obtained the dealer’s license solely and exclusively to assist that corporation or local chapters of that corporation in conducting auctions, raffles, or similar events at which firearms are auctioned or raffled off to fund the activities of that corporation or the local chapters of the corporation.
(2) The firearms are not handguns.

[ronlglock]

Are any FFL owners using a separate FFL (Exempted Federal Firearms Licensees) for guns stored at home vs guns stored at your shop?



Spoke with DOJ and they said if you take anything home you need a separate FFL for that. Just when you think CA cant make any more laws.

What about taking them to the range to sight in or test?

[neffect]

What about taking them to the range to sight in or test?

Basically, you're supposed to bring them back to your shop when you're done. UNLESS you have a separate FFL to check them out too.