Recipt for a lock required for handgun purchase?

[jconfus]

Seems that different FFLs have different understanding and practice. Some must see a receipt for a lock, some don't care.

What is the formal requirement from DOJ?

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[Librarian]

Seems that different FFLs have different understanding and practice. Some must see a receipt for a lock, some don't care.

What is the formal requirement from DOJ?

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/index.php?title=Buying_and_selling_firearms_in_California#Locks.2C_Safes.2C_and_Laws

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[jconfus]

Hmm.

Looks like if I have safe (I do) and give FFL a receipt, I don't need the lock...

Also this doc does not mention handgun or rifle, but one FFL only ask for lock receipt for handgun, for long gun he does not care...

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[Librarian]

Hmm.

Looks like if I have safe (I do) and give FFL a receipt, I don't need the lock...

Also this doc does not mention handgun or rifle, but one FFL only ask for lock receipt for handgun, for long gun he does not care...

For a handgun, you do, because Federal law also requires a safety device, and BATF's incompetence in not accepting a safe, either the CA affidavit or something from BATF, makes a lock in-hand in the store the only answer.

And if you do bring your own, then CA FFLS are required to follow CA law on the point, and are supposed to require the within-30-days receipt bit.

I spent a fair amount of time writing that wiki page; please read it again.

[dk94044]

Buy their lock, get a separate receipt for it, return it the next day

[The War Wagon]

Bring your ONE lock with you to every purchase. Present it and say, "Welp... HERE'S my lock!"

[taperxz]

Bring your ONE lock with you to every purchase. Present it and say, "Welp... HERE'S my lock!"

[Nardo1895]

A couple of comments on this...

Don't forget it has to be a receipt for a DOJ "Approved" safety devise on the state side. The Feds don't have that restriction.

Its not important to most transactions, but I do a fair amount of C&R sales and transfers. The CSLA doesn't apply to C&R handguns. I tried to find it in the actual regulations but was not successful. I did find a ATF FAQ on the matter:

How are C&R firearms affected by the CSLA?

C&R firearms are exempt from the CSLA. Therefore, Type 03 licensees, collectors of curios or relics (C&R), are exempt from providing child safety locks in transfers involving C&R firearms. However, if a Type 03 licensee purchases a handgun not classified as a C&R from a licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer, it would be necessary for the licensed manufacturer, importer, or dealer to provide a secure gun storage or safety device with that handgun.

This in itself is a little confusing. First its says C&R firearms are exempt, but then it goes on to say C&R holders buying C&R handguns are exempt. True enough, but not sure about non C&R holders buying a C&R handgun. I need to find the actual regulations...

[kemasa]

If the firearm comes with a CA certified lock, then you don't need a receipt.

If you have a safe that meets the requirements, then the safe affidavit works for CA and a CA certified lock without receipt works for the Feds (no document requirement for the Feds) for handguns. There is no Federal requirement for locks for non-handguns.

You can buy a lock from a friend and have them write up a receipt, although some FFLs might not accept it.

The Feds have claimed that the FFL has to provide the lock or safe, which makes it a bit more interesting.

[kemasa]

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...es.2C_and_Laws

According to the letter from the BATF (link in the wiki), if the the person physically brings their safe to the dealer, then it would be acceptable, at least to the BATF. It also supports the bringing of a lock being acceptable, but due to CA law, any lock has to be approved.

[Librarian]

According to the letter from the BATF (link in the wiki), if the the person physically brings their safe to the dealer, then it would be acceptable, at least to the BATF. It also supports the bringing of a lock being acceptable, but due to CA law, any lock has to be approved.

Of course, it's quite convenient to bring my 4500 pound, anchored-to-the-concrete safe to a dealer.

[XxWoodsHunterxX]

[kemasa]

Of course, it's quite convenient to bring my 4500 pound, anchored-to-the-concrete safe to a dealer.

The government doesn't care about convenient.

[Librarian]

The government doesn't care about convenient.

Or sane, evidently.

[kemasa]

Or sane, evidently.

If something the government does make sense then you should be seriously concerned as something is likely wrong.