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  • ugimports
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Jun 2009
    • 6251

    COE Valid for POR for Handguns for CA DOJ

    I didn't know that until today. When did this happen? It shows up on the FAQ:
    Firearms Dealers Links to Topics below General FAQs DROS Entry System (DES) Internet Process AB 1872/2165/2699 Dealer FAQs General FAQs What are California's licensing requirements for firearms dealers? How much is the annual Centralized List fee and when must it be paid? What is a California Firearms Dealer (CFD) number? Do I need to send copies of my dealer's Federal Firearms License and local firearms license(s) to DOJ? How is DROS information submitted? How do I get copies of the blank DROS worksheet? How can I correct or cancel a DROS submission?

    Examples of acceptable proof of residency:
    ...
    * Certificate of Eligibility (COE.)
    And apparently the PC supports it:

    (b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice.
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  • #2
    SkyHawk
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Sep 2012
    • 23531

    It is weird, because just before that example is given it says the document must have an address:

    The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
    The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form; or
    The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License, California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
    And IIRC they will issue COE to out of state people, so how it establishes residency without an address on it is beyond me. It could be a typo of course, the web guy may have meant to put that somewhere else. And I am not sure that web FAQ page should be considered official DOJ dealer correspondence.

    Anyhow according to archive.org it showed up between Jul 31 and Aug 30 2019.
    Last edited by SkyHawk; 01-12-2020, 1:02 AM.
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    • #3
      ugimports
      Vendor/Retailer
      • Jun 2009
      • 6251

      Originally posted by SkyHawk
      It is weird, because just before that example is given it says the document must have an address:



      And IIRC they will issue COE to out of state people, so how it establishes residency without an address on it is beyond me. It could be a typo of course, the web guy may have meant to put that somewhere else. And I am not sure that web FAQ page should be considered official DOJ dealer correspondance.

      Anyhow according to archive.org it showed up between Jul 31 and Aug 30 2019.
      https://web.archive.org/web/20190730...ms/dlrfaqs#14G
      The PC seems to support it though (based on the bolded section I did). I also thought COEs could be issued to people out of state.. Oh well, I'll find out during my next audit to see what they say.
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      • #4
        Quiet
        retired Goon
        • Mar 2007
        • 30242

        Applicable CA laws/regulations...

        Penal Code 26845
        (a) No handgun may be delivered unless the purchaser, transferee, or person being loaned the firearm presents documentation indicating that the person is a California resident.
        (b) Satisfactory documentation shall include a utility bill from within the last three months, a residential lease, a property deed, or military permanent duty station orders indicating assignment within this state, or other evidence of residency as permitted by the Department of Justice.
        (c) The firearms dealer shall retain a photocopy of the documentation as proof of compliance with this requirement.

        California Code of Regulations Title 11 Divison 5 Chapter 4 Article 1 Section 4045
        The following definitions and requirements apply to documents intended to serve as evidence of residency for the acquisition of a handgun pursuant to Penal Code section 26845:
        (d)
        (1) A current, government-issued (city, county, special district, state, or federal) license, permit, or registration, other than a California Driver License or California Identification Card, that has a specified expiration date or period of validity. The license, permit, or registration must bear the individual's name and either of the following:
        (A) The individual's current residential address as declared on the DROS form.
        (B) The individual's address as it appears on his or her California Driver License or California Identification Card, or change of address attachment thereto.
        (2) A valid peace officer credential issued by a California law enforcement agency to an active, reserve, or retired peace officer.
        Last edited by Quiet; 01-11-2020, 11:19 PM.
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        • #5
          SkyHawk
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Sep 2012
          • 23531

          ^^ so according to the PC, ‘other evidence of residency as permitted by CADOJ’ still must have an address. So they are off the reservation with COE being proof of residency.
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          • #6
            ugimports
            Vendor/Retailer
            • Jun 2009
            • 6251

            Sounds like it. I emailed my account rep for clarification.

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