1 in 30 Exemption for FFL3 COE Problem

[G. Freeman]

Hello Guys,

Just requesting your input.

I'm a new FFL3 COE holder and tried to dros 2 modern handguns today. My previous handgun purchase was also less than 30 days.

My local FFL-1 didn't know how to process this. They were unaware of the 1 in 30 exemption. They are willing to do it if they had the proper info from the DOJ website.

Could you lead me in the right direction? Thanks in advance.

[kemasa]

There was a CA DOJ bulletin, tell the dealer to check the bulletins in the DES.

[sfe187]

[G. Freeman]

Guys thanks so much! I printed out the bulletin & took it to them. Calguns is such as awesome source of solid info. I truly appreciate it!

[SkyHawk]

IIRC your last purchase also needed to have the exemption, or it wont matter what you do now. You need to use the exemption *everytime* you purchase if there is any chance at all you may want to purchase again within 30 days.

I could be mistaken but I seem to remember we had a thread here from someone who found out the hard way.

Also don’t try it in the city of LA.

[G. Freeman]

I already drosed and picked up my previous pistol. My COE was already approved at that time but my FFL3 was approved only a couple of wks ago.

At that time it was just a regular sale. Are you saying there may he a problem with the 2 pistols I just drosed today?

The the copy of the dros I got today looked good.

[kemasa]

What are you talking about? If it is 1 in 30 exempt, then it shouldn't be a problem, the same as buying a gun, then doing a CA PPT. The transfer is done, in this case, as a C&R w/COE, which is exempt from 1 in 30, but it will also falsely claim that it is exempt from the waiting period.

The City of LA is an issue.

[SkyHawk]

What are you talking about? If it is 1 in 30 exempt, then it shouldn't be a problem, the same as buying a gun, then doing a CA PPT. The transfer is done, in this case, as a C&R w/COE, which is exempt from 1 in 30, but it will also falsely claim that it is exempt from the waiting period.

The City of LA is an issue.

Like I said I am not 100% sure, and I looked for the old thread but got sidetracked.

IIRC there was a guy who did a transfer and it was not marked 1/30 exempt. Then he went to do another transfer in the 30 day window and was denied even though that second transfer was marked exempt. And I can’t remember if one of the transfers was a intra family interstate and not 03/COE.

Anyhow I don’t have much faith anymore in ‘what should make sense’ when it comes to DOJ shenanigans or ‘programming features’ of DES. And I could have the details backwards, who knows. If I find that other thread I will link it here.

[sfe187]

There were one time I knew I will be buying 3 new handguns from an FFL who was gonna have a sale. However a week prior I bought one handgun from a different FFL and told them to do a 1-30 exemption on one modern handgun because of exactly what Skyhawk reference to above.

If that one handgun was DROS regular 1-30 non-exempt and a week later DROSing 3 handguns exempt, I was worry it would be denied because first handgun non-exempt dros still has to wait 30 days to clear the system.

Anyhow, they looked at me all crazy and did the one handgun under exempt.

kemasa - if you're saying if I dros the one handgun regular "non-exempt", then a week later dros 3 handguns "exempt" and should have no problems, then awesome thank you for point that out as next time I don't have to worry. In theory if thats the case, just don't do another non-exempt dros for 30 days after that one handgun in my example but any other "non exempt" dros would be just fine. Right?

[kemasa]

There was/is a problem that the CA DOJ don't see all of the fields, like comments and the 1 in 30 exemption box. I got a call about a 1 in 30 violation where the customer had bought a gun from another dealer which I knew was exempt and then did a transfer through me. I told the DOJ that and was told that they couldn't see things and never heard about it again.

It seems it could depend on who looks at, but I have heard that they can see more of the DROS submission now.

[vino68]

Also call ahead or ask when you are at the store to verify staff can handle this type of transaction. Sometimes only a manger will know how to process this type of transaction.

[sfe187]

There was/is a problem that the CA DOJ don't see all of the fields, like comments and the 1 in 30 exemption box. I got a call about a 1 in 30 violation where the customer had bought a gun from another dealer which I knew was exempt and then did a transfer through me. I told the DOJ that and was told that they couldn't see things and never heard about it again.

It seems it could depend on who looks at, but I have heard that they can see more of the DROS submission now.

Ok thanks I see what you're saying.