Real ID, when did this happen

[noyo55]

[sealocan]

I can't give you exactly what date it happened but it's been going on for a while. I believe that some gun stores let you use your passport (if you have one) but I hope someone else here can give you the exact answers you need.

[71MUSTY]

Are you Rip Van Winkle??? J/K started the first of the year because California was giving DLs to illegals.

[M76]

Surprised the store PPT'ed w/o a real ID, then told you to get it to pick up

[kemasa]

A real id isn't required. If you have an id which on the front says federal limits apply, then you need additional documents. It is a CA issue.

[X-MAN]

You can still use a “non” real id, you just need to bring birth certificate or passport in addition. Which are basically some of the items you need to get a real id thru the dmv. But yea, im surprised they let you start the ppt. They added the real id requirement as a last minute addendum to the new ammo law this past july.

[SkyHawk]

You can still use a “non” real id, you just need to bring birth certificate or passport in addition. Which are basically some of the items you need to get a real id thru the dmv. But yea, im surprised they let you start the ppt. They added the real id requirement as a last minute addendum to the new ammo law this past july.

I have a non-real ID and I never have to bring any of those documents.

There are many thousands of people without REAL ID who can buy guns and ammo with no problem.

Only if your license/ID says FEDERAL LIMITS APPLY do you need those extra identity documents.

[gunsandrockets]

According to a friend of mine who just relocated to Arizona, the ATF says an ordinary non "real ID" drivers license is adequate to process firearms transactions.

See, my friend had to get an Arizona DL, but was running into some delays to get the new "real ID" type DL. The ATF agent assured him that a plain DL was enough for federal firearms laws, and that the real ID was only necessary for air travel.

[gunsandrockets]

I just googled up this source... note the details of question #1

https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/newsletter/federal-firearms-licensees-newsletter-may-2012/download

REAL ID Act of 2005
Several states, including the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam, American Samoa, and the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands, are implementing the REAL ID Act of 2005, Title II of division B of Pub. L 109-13, 49 U.S.C. 30301 (“REAL ID Act” or “Act”), which requires a driver’s license (DL) or identification card (ID) issued by a State to meet minimum requirements for Federal official purposes.
As a result of the Act, these States are offering new DLs and IDs to customers with a marking (i.e. gold star, different color, lettering or format) on Act compliant DLs and IDs. The purpose of the marking is to assist with the recognition of such documents as compliant with the REAL ID Act, when presented for official purposes. The REAL ID Act defines “official purpose” as accessing Federal facilities, boarding Federally-regulated commercial aircraft, and entering nuclear power plants. Please note that different states may use different means to identify a compliant card from a non-compliant card. Furthermore, if a person refuses to provide additional documentation required under the new licensing require- ments, the State will still issue a DL or ID; however, it will not have the REAL ID Act compliant marking and will not be valid for Federal official purposes as defined by the REAL ID Act.

Question #1: An unlicensed person wishes to purchase
a firearm from a Federal firearms licensee (FFL) in a State that has adopted the REAL ID Act. The unlicensed person presents a DL that is marked across the face of the license in capital letters, “This Driver’s License Is Not Valid for Federal Identification Purposes.” Is such DL an “identification document” that an FFL may utilize for identifying the purchaser in accordance with the Brady Law, 18 U.S.C. 922(t)?
Answer #1: Yes, provided the DL or ID meets the requirements set forth by the Gun Control Act (GCA) and its implementing regulations. If the DL or ID meets the definition of “identification document” as defined in 18 U.S.C. 1028(d) and 27 C.F.R. 478.11, it would be acceptable for purposes of the firearm transfer. 27 CFR 478.11 defines the term identification document as:
“A document containing the name, residence address, date of birth, and photograph of the holder and which was made or issued by or under the authority of the United States Government, a State, political subdivision of a State, a foreign government, political subdivision
of a foreign government, an international governmental or an international quasi-governmental organization which, when completed with information concerning a particular individual, is of a type intended or commonly accepted for the purpose of identification of individuals.”
Please note that the identification verification require- ment to transfer a firearm is not considered an “official purpose” under the REAL ID Act. The Act defines “official purpose” as accessing Federal facilities, boarding Federally-regulated commercial aircraft, and entering nuclear power plants.
Question #2: Can a DL or ID containing a REAL ID Act compliant marking (i.e. gold star, different color, lettering or format) be used as an alternative to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS)?
Answer #2: No, A DL or ID containing a REAL ID
Act compliant marking is not an alternative to NICS. Only those permits that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) recognizes as qualified alternatives to the background check required under the Brady Law may be utilized as an alternative to NICS. ATF’s recognition of these permits as a Brady alternative is based on the fact that the State conducted background checks through NICS prior to the issuance or renewal of these permits, and denied a permit to anyone prohibited under Federal, State, or local law.

[gunsandrockets]

new info found, new insight

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20180322/california-special-alert-update-regarding-use-of-non-real-ids-for-firearm-purchases

I now see what the real problem is inside California.

It has to do with the fact California began issuing DL to illegal aliens. And ordinary citizens are getting the same DL that California issues to illegal aliens. So unless a buyer has the new "real ID" DL, how is an seller supposed to distinguish between a citizen and an illegal alien?