Make a SIG P320 CA compliant?

[ronlglock]

Just thinking out loud here. Many SIGs have an easily-removed serial-numbered fire control group (FCG) which can be popped out of the plastic grip. Examples are the 226, 320 and 365.

I've talked to SIG at SHOT about building a CA compliant single shot plastic grip but they said they have more than enough business without it. Why can't someone build a single-shot grip which will accept a SIG FCG, slide and barrel so that he FCG can be sold in CA? Seems like 3D printing would be perfect and low cost.

The seller would bring in firearms with 10-round mags, swap the FCG into the single-shot plastic and sell the package including the original plastic. What am I missing?

[waygeekierthanu]

A single shot firearm in California can never have ever been assembled as a semi-automatic and its entire history including all attached parts. Since the fire control group comes from Sig, it was assembled as a semi-automatic at some point. So simply removing the fire control group and making it a single shot won't work. You would have to have been manufactured from the outset as single shot

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[ronlglock]

A single shot firearm in California can never have ever been assembled as a semi-automatic and its entire history including all attached parts. Since the fire control group comes from Sig, it was assembled as a semi-automatic at some point. So simply removing the fire control group and making it a single shot won't work. You would have to have been manufactured from the outset as single shot

I am an FFL in Rancho Cucamonga, vist us at https://www.2azone.com

Thanks for the clarification. I wonder if SIG would sell FCGs to another manufacturer for final assembly into a single shot? It sounds like I need to talk to them at SHOT again next year.

[kemasa]

They and other manufacturers could do things to get around it, but as they said, they have enough business without it. There is also legal liability issues.

The lawsuit is the way to change things, but it is taking a long time. Such laws should be put on hold until all the courts find that it is constitutional so that an unconstitutional law isn't enforced for decades.

[SkyHawk]

Just thinking out loud here. Many SIGs have an easily-removed serial-numbered fire control group (FCG) which can be popped out of the plastic grip. Examples are the 226, 320 and 365.

P226 does not have a frame/chassis system. Maybe you are thinking of P250.

CA DOJ would take the position that converting a single shot pistol to semi auto, constitutes the manufacture of an unsafe handgun.

[ronlglock]

P226 does not have a frame/chassis system. Maybe you are thinking of P250.

CA DOJ would take the position that converting a single shot pistol to semi auto, constitutes the manufacture of an unsafe handgun.

https://sigsauerguns.com/accessories/conversion-caliber-x-change-kits/p226-conversion-kits.html

If building an AR is not manufacturing, I wonder, but yeah, it's California.

[kemasa]

Any semi-auto frame (prior to being made into a semi-auto) could be made in a compliant manner and then have a conversion kit as most can have the slide replaced.

[SkyHawk]

https://sigsauerguns.com/accessories...sion-kits.html

If building an AR is not manufacturing, I wonder, but yeah, it's California.

The P226 has caliber conversion kits, but the frame has the serial number just like Glocks, 1911s, etc.

Unlike the P320, P365, P250 - the P226 does not have a serial numbered fire control group that can be removed from the frame. The P226 is also not plastic.

See the first page of the roster lookup if you want to know what DOJ thinks about manufacturing:

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/search

Alterations of a single shot pistol (i.e. changing upper receivers, connecting gas tubes) may also be considered manufacturing an unsafe handgun. See California Penal Code sections 31900-31910 for the definition of unsafe handguns and 32000(a) for more information on illegal acts involving unsafe handguns.

[ronlglock]

Make a SIG P320 CA compliant?

The P226 has caliber conversion kits, but the frame has the serial number just like Glocks, 1911s, etc.

Unlike the P320, P365, P250 - the P226 does not have a serial numbered fire control group that can be removed from the frame. The P226 is also not plastic.

See the first page of the roster lookup if you want to know what DOJ thinks about manufacturing:

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/cert...andguns/search

[ugimports]

Nobody will really know how gray the definition is until you see something in the courts, in my opinion.

[BajaJames83]

What needs to happen is all gun mfgs stic paying the ca roster extortion and let everything fall off.

[ugimports]

What needs to happen is all gun mfgs stic paying the ca roster extortion and let everything fall off.

That will happen soon enough...and then we will be in California, home of the C&R and single action revolvers since that's all you need/get for the 2A...

[audiophil2]

i have a safe full of fcg that never made it to ca. the owners just want all the parts. can't be used to make a single shot though.

[weaselfire]

There are plenty of options for manufacturers to build CA compliant firearms but none of them are commercially viable. Any manufacturer that can build these can make more money and sell more guns by building something the shooters in other states will buy.

Jeff

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