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  • kemasa
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jun 2005
    • 10706

    Why I won't accept firearms from Bud's anymore

    I have been a preferred dealer for Bud's for many years, even though I am not a big fan of them due to many reasons. Recently I received a call from a customer saying that they needed to contact me first, which isn't what it says for a preferred dealer, so I checked and I was no longer a preferred dealer and the change was made with no contact with me, which I considered to be unacceptable.

    I called a person I had talked to recently due to a problem customer. In part because it is nearly impossible to call them unless you have an extension of a person. She said that the notes said that because I work by appointment I can not be a preferred dealer. Not sure of where this is written, but it sure seems made up. She said that a manager could call me, but when I asked what he would say other than what she said, she said that he might be able to tell me more, or in other words more attempting to justify what they did and no change, which would be a waste of time, so I told her to remove my listing. Too many problems with Bud's and their customers, so it is a good thing really.

    I suspect that the real reason is due to a problem customer. On my Bud's listing it said to send me email to be notified when the firearm arrives (too many customers who don't tell their SO what they are doing and then their SO getting upset when I call a shared number telling them that a firearm arrived). He never did. He ordered two firearms and the first one was delayed in being delivered because I was out of town and was delivered the day that I got back. The second one, which I didn't know at the time was for him, was directed to be returned to Buds and wasn't delivered that day. I later got a call from Bud's asking if I still had the firearm that had arrived, which I said that I did and that the customer had never contacted me, as mentioning what my listing says. Bud's ended up calling the customer and conferencing him on a phone call. He claimed that this was the first time he has done this. He was told to send an email message and he agreed to have the second firearm shipped to me. It took him over 12 hours to send the email.

    I replied to his email and then I got a message from him telling me what time he would come, which isn't how you make an appointment. I replied telling him that, as well saying that the second firearm hadn't arrived and that I thought that he wanted to do both the transfers at the same time. Silence. Then later I get a message from him again telling me when he would show up as the other firearm was scheduled to arrive. I responded that again wasn't how to make an appointment and while there was an issue with the time, I agreed to the date/time, as well as telling him all of the documents that he might need (since he said he hadn't done a transfer like this before). I then got an email starting with "Listen ...", which showed a really bad attitude, which combined with a firearm transfer isn't good, so I told him to request that the firearms be sent back. One funny thing that he claimed was that I never told him what the charges would be, but it was on my Bud's listing, as well I give a discount for members of gun rights organizations and since I don't know if he is a member or not, I can't give a total cost, but gave him all the information that he needed to figure it out. Perhaps in addition to a reading problem, he has a math problem.

    I suspect that due to his inability to communicate, Bud's decided to remove me as preferred dealer. It seems that Bud's can't communicate either. Due to this problem case i tried to call them a couple of times and each attempt resulted in being on hold for over 30 minutes and my hanging up due to having other things to do. My message to them also went unanswered.
    Kemasa.
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  • #2
    Eddy's Shooting Sports
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2011
    • 1329

    I stopped receiving from Bud's a long time ago. One of the primary drivers for me is that they are one of those companies that enforce laws that don't exist. This sort of behavior is bad for the industry as a whole. Basically, I wanted to buy a couple of used S&W revolvers from them and they told me I had to provide LEO credentials for the end user before they would ship. As we all know, this is B.S. They can ship off roster guns to an FFL and it is the FFL's responsibility to only sell them to roster-exempt buyers.
    Greg David
    Eddy's Shooting Sports
    (650)969-GUNS

    400 Moffett Blvd., Suite F
    Mountain View, CA 94043

    www.eddysguns.com

    Tue-Fri 12-7, Sat 11-5

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    • #3
      kemasa
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jun 2005
      • 10706

      Yeah, there is a lot of reasons to avoid them.
      Kemasa.
      False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

      Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

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      • #4
        taperxz
        I need a LIFE!!
        • Feb 2010
        • 19395

        Originally posted by kemasa
        Yeah, there is a lot of reasons to avoid them.

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        • #5
          kemasa
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Jun 2005
          • 10706

          If enough FFLs get fed up with them, they won't be able to sell anything. They really don't have any customer service.
          Kemasa.
          False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

          Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

          Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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          • #6
            I Swan
            Calguns Addict
            • Sep 2010
            • 8770

            Originally posted by kemasa
            If enough FFLs get fed up with them, they won't be able to sell anything. They really don't have any customer service.
            Not going to happen. I've seen a FFL or two say no more Bud's but then go back to taking Bud's ship ins due to too much lost business. Plenty of FFL's are willing to deal with Bud's. I've only heard of 1-2 saying no.

            I remember another FFL saying no more GunBroker business after some bad experiences with their customer service I'm not sure if he stuck to his guns or not. I don't think he did.

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            • #7
              kemasa
              I need a LIFE!!
              • Jun 2005
              • 10706

              There are quite a few who refuse to deal with Buds, just because you don't know them doesn't mean that they don't exist. But what I said was true, but I didn't say that it would happen. If enough FFLs say no, it will be harder for them to sell. Far too often money is the motivating factor instead of doing what is right, so it is unlikely that enough FFLs will refuse to deal with them.
              Kemasa.
              False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

              Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

              Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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              • #8
                eviioiive
                Senior Member
                • Oct 2005
                • 1620

                Is it buds or buds not wanting to deal with ca?
                Originally posted by Kestryll
                Your name has been publicly printed in newspapers and on the web, your expectation of privacy is flat gone.
                Originally posted by CALGUNS.NET
                You have been banned for the following reason: posting other member's personal info without permission. I don't care what your reasoning is that is not allowed.

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                • #9
                  kemasa
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 10706

                  Originally posted by eviioiive
                  Is it buds or buds not wanting to deal with ca?
                  It is buds, not a CA issue.
                  Kemasa.
                  False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                  Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                  Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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                  • #10
                    I Swan
                    Calguns Addict
                    • Sep 2010
                    • 8770

                    Originally posted by kemasa
                    There are quite a few who refuse to deal with Buds, just because you don't know them doesn't mean that they don't exist. But what I said was true, but I didn't say that it would happen. If enough FFLs say no, it will be harder for them to sell. Far too often money is the motivating factor instead of doing what is right, so it is unlikely that enough FFLs will refuse to deal with them.
                    Can you name some? Any high volume places?

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                    • #11
                      kemasa
                      I need a LIFE!!
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 10706

                      Originally posted by I Swan
                      Can you name some? Any high volume places?
                      I have seen several on a FFL forum, but I don't recall the names and wouldn't name them if I did. I have seen other who charge a lot more if it comes from Buds as well.
                      Kemasa.
                      False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                      Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

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                      • #12
                        I Swan
                        Calguns Addict
                        • Sep 2010
                        • 8770

                        Originally posted by kemasa
                        I have seen several on a FFL forum, but I don't recall the names and wouldn't name them if I did. I have seen other who charge a lot more if it comes from Buds as well.
                        Why not? Why hide it? I don't do a huge amount of business with Bud's but I only ever ran in to one place that at one time said no Bud's.

                        I don't think any mainstream well known brick and mortar storefront with regular hours I know says no Bud's.

                        You do get the policies here and there like no ship in from non FFL's. Or the one I mentioned where they said no GunBroker at least temporarily.

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                        • #13
                          kemasa
                          I need a LIFE!!
                          • Jun 2005
                          • 10706

                          Originally posted by I Swan
                          Why not? Why hide it? I don't do a huge amount of business with Bud's but I only ever ran in to one place that at one time said no Bud's.



                          I don't think any mainstream well known brick and mortar storefront with regular hours I know says no Bud's.



                          You do get the policies here and there like no ship in from non FFL's. Or the one I mentioned where they said no GunBroker at least temporarily.
                          Because it isn't my job to name names. How many replied that they don't accept from buds in this thread? That conflicts with your claim.
                          Kemasa.
                          False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                          Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                          Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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                          • #14
                            KahrMan
                            Member
                            • Aug 2016
                            • 458

                            Am a fifteen minute drive away from their Sevierville store. Enjoy shopping with them. Some weapons are priced very low. When you buy a firearm there they give you a pager to notify when “instant” background check is completed. Takes just a few minutes usually. Can walk over to their indoor range and watch tourists shooting a full auto sub gun for the first time. Good for a laugh and the time passes quickly��
                            Last edited by KahrMan; 11-02-2019, 5:52 AM.
                            My God, even the Conservatives are liberal in the messed up State

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                            • #15
                              audiophil2
                              Senior Member
                              CGN Contributor - Lifetime
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 8736

                              Originally posted by I Swan
                              Not going to happen. I've seen a FFL or two say no more Bud's but then go back to taking Bud's ship ins due to too much lost business. Plenty of FFL's are willing to deal with Bud's. I've only heard of 1-2 saying no.

                              I remember another FFL saying no more GunBroker business after some bad experiences with their customer service I'm not sure if he stuck to his guns or not. I don't think he did.
                              I banned gunbroker after they refused to deal with a nutjob customer. After a year gunbroker begged me to come back and fixed my complaint so I allow gb transfers again.

                              I have still permabanned SPringfield Armory and Rock RIver Arms. Distributors have begged me to buy again many times but now they have given up asking since I will never help those anti 2A companies again after they screwed over FFLs in my home state.

                              I have banned a few CA FFLs too. SOme because their employees like to finger bang my clients very expensive guns. Some because they make up their own laws that have cost me shipping expenses. Some because they are so hard to deal with to get a publicly accessible FFL. One particular one has a mile long list of requirements to get his FFL that is password protected as if he is some top secret government entity.

                              I have a list of preferred FFLs I ship to in CA and when someone asks to use one of the blacklisted FFLs I just tell them to buy elsewhere, accept a $200 transfer fee for having me deal with an idiot FFL, or use the FFL that is easy to work with. They always thank me for directing them to the better FFLs.

                              As far as Buds is concerned it is not a big deal. They have bad service. Many shops do. When I have an issue with a transfer dealer I let the gun sit until the customer fixes the issue. I only make 1 phone call or email to help resolve the issue and then I am done. Once the buyer requests a refund or does a chargeback on his card BUds fixes the issue and I charge Buds a transfer fee to get their gun back.

                              I told online retailers I accept shipments without prior approval. No need to make it more time consuming. I run a business, not a hobby. When a gun gets here I either email or call the client. If i need to leave a message I tell them they have an item on hold at my shop and to pick it up. No mention of firearm on messages. If a wife gets involved I do not care. Not my business. Only time I am discrete is when a spouse wants to gift a gun.

                              10 years of business and hardly ever an issue. I try not to add stress to my life so I weed out the problem folks quickly and painlessly. Had a calgunner get all upset a few months ago. He was unrealistic. He told me he would never use my service again. I thanked him for giving me the heads up. 2 months later he calls asking for prices. I reminded him he banned me and if he was not going to be a man of his word I would help him so I banned him for himself.
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