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  • taperxz
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Feb 2010
    • 19395

    Residency issue for an 03. NEED HELP

    Customer had an 03. Getting a German Luger

    The FFL 03 has an address on it however it’s different than his declared residence.

    The 03 license doesn’t establish residency for ATF or Cal DOJ

    He has all current regular documents to his residency for a normal CA C&R DROS.

    How would this proceed or not?

    My thoughts are that an FFL is address specific like an 01
    Last edited by taperxz; 10-10-2019, 8:23 PM.
  • #2
    checkplease
    Member
    • Aug 2017
    • 256

    resolved
    Last edited by checkplease; 10-21-2019, 7:52 PM.

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    • #3
      Milsurp1
      Veteran Member
      • Aug 2016
      • 3091

      https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default)
      A C&R FFL is one of the options for a buyer to prove residency according to 11 CCR 4045(d).

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      • #4
        Milsurp1
        Veteran Member
        • Aug 2016
        • 3091


        See subsection (b) of the federal regulations.

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        • #5
          taperxz
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2010
          • 19395

          Originally posted by Milsurp1
          https://govt.westlaw.com/calregs/Doc...ta=(sc.Default)
          A C&R FFL is one of the options for a buyer to prove residency according to 11 CCR 4045(d).

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          • #6
            ugimports
            Vendor/Retailer
            • Jun 2009
            • 6250

            I think they are required to update their 03 address with their current residence address?

            Not sure if below also applies to 03s..
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            • #7
              Milsurp1
              Veteran Member
              • Aug 2016
              • 3091

              I looked at the other thread again, and it sounds like a key question is whether the address on the 03 license is where the collection is stored, or not.

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              • #8
                taperxz
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Feb 2010
                • 19395

                Originally posted by Milsurp1
                I looked at the other thread again, and it sounds like a key question is whether the address on the 03 license is where the collection is stored, or not.
                Yes! He is using his current address on DL and lease agreement as ID and proof of residency for the state and an 03 at another address to get the 10 day waiver.

                He should amend his 03 to show his current address or move back to where his 03 is located and amend his residency

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                • #9
                  kemasa
                  I need a LIFE!!
                  • Jun 2005
                  • 10706

                  Strange situation. One question is where the C&R items are stored. If they are stored at the current residence, not at the C&R listed address, then that could be a big problem.
                  Kemasa.
                  False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                  Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

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                    Milsurp1
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                    • Aug 2016
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                      Milsurp1
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                      • #12
                        checkplease
                        Member
                        • Aug 2017
                        • 256

                        resolved
                        Last edited by checkplease; 10-21-2019, 7:52 PM.

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                        • #13
                          checkplease
                          Member
                          • Aug 2017
                          • 256

                          Residency issue for an 03. NEED HELP

                          resolved
                          Last edited by checkplease; 10-21-2019, 7:52 PM.

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                          • #14
                            kemasa
                            I need a LIFE!!
                            • Jun 2005
                            • 10706

                            But you don't live there?

                            That is a strange situation.

                            I checked with the people I know and trust and the answer is No! The address on the C&R doesn't match the information which is required for the DROS, so the waiting period exemption would not apply.

                            There is no reason why the address on the C&R FFL couldn't be a San Francisco address that I am aware of. It isn't a dealer license and they don't have to approve, just be informed.
                            Kemasa.
                            False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                            Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                            Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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                            • #15
                              kemasa
                              I need a LIFE!!
                              • Jun 2005
                              • 10706

                              Originally posted by checkplease
                              The 03 was originally acquired to receive ammo but since there are some city ordinances in place in SF and the fact that most online retailers wont ship ammo to SF, a second home outside of SF was used. A SF address was used as the "mailing address" on the 03 which is also on the driver's license and utility bill for residency.
                              I am not sure that this is something that should be discussed in public due to what you have said since it seems that you are using another address, which you don't actually live at, to get around the laws. One could ask if the other location is actually owned by you, leased/rented by you, but if not, that could be a problem.
                              Kemasa.
                              False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

                              Don't tell someone to read the rules he wrote or tell him that he is wrong.

                              Never try to teach a pig to sing. You waste your time and you annoy the pig. - Robert A. Heinlein

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