Selling Ammunition to Myself

[Nardo1895]

If I personally buy ammunition from my business, do I need to run an ammunition background check on myself? It works that way if I want to transfer a firearm to my personal collection.

As ammunition dealers we are "exempt" and there is no ammunition registration law (yet) so I don't think I need to do anything with the state, other than pay the sales tax. Before the background check went into affect I was logging ammunition sales to myself in my ammunition log, but that's no longer required either.

Do I have this right?

[Moemoe1]

Bruh how would anyone know you transfer ammo to yourself or not. Is ammunition registered? Are they literally watching you every step you take? Man just do it and keep your mouth shut 🙄

[whutsup40]

[acespawnshop]

Don't take poor advice. Since there was no exemption in the PC about ammo background checks do the $1.00 check as the COE or AFS holder tab.

[taperxz]

Don't take poor advice. Since there was no exemption in the PC about ammo background checks do the $1.00 check as the COE or AFS holder tab.

Dealers are exempt. It’s in the PC

So are LE with a letter from the Dept head. If an LEO comes in with a letter to wave the 10 day rule and they add ammo to the make, model and serial, the ammo needs no BG check. Or, just a letter from the Dept. head stating any and all ammo are for duty use

[Rakso]

Bruh how would anyone know you transfer ammo to yourself or not. Is ammunition registered? Are they literally watching you every step you take? Man just do it and keep your mouth shut 🙄

Winner

[acespawnshop]

Do you know what PC number Taper so I can keep it in my files of useful PC's

[taperxz]

Do you know what PC number Taper so I can keep it in my files of useful PC's

Exemption

( 4) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by
the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6
of Division 6 of this title.

[Nardo1895]

Bruh how would anyone know you transfer ammo to yourself or not. Is ammunition registered? Are they literally watching you every step you take? Man just do it and keep your mouth shut 🙄

First, I will admit be being overly paranoid. However...

Since I buy ammunition wholesale without paying sales tax, I have to collect sales tax when I sell it to myself. That means I have to write an invoice which becomes a paper trail.

So why not do it legally? What I can get away with and what's legal may be two different things.

... and yes, they are watching me every step I take

[The War Wagon]

If I personally buy ammunition from my business, do I need to run an ammunition background check on myself?

I'd run the check, but list the seller as, "Nancy Pelosi," or "Gavin Newsome" or some such. Run THEM through the system - see what pops up...

[tenpercentfirearms]

From my reading, we do not have to do the check.

30352 (a) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall not sell or otherwise transfer ownership of any ammunition without, at the time of delivery, legibly recording the following information on a form to be prescribed by the Department of Justice:
(1) The date of the sale or other transfer.
(2) The purchaser's or transferee's driver's license or other identification number and the state in which it was issued.
(3) The brand, type, and amount of ammunition sold or otherwise transferred.
(4) The purchaser's or transferee's full name and signature.
(5) The name of the salesperson who processed the sale or other transaction.
(6) The purchaser's or transferee's full residential address and telephone number.
(7) The purchaser's or transferee's date of birth.
(b) Commencing July 1, 2019, an ammunition vendor shall electronically submit to the department the information required by subdivision (a) for all sales and transfers of ownership of ammunition. The department shall retain this information in a database to be known as the Ammunition Purchase Records File. This information shall remain confidential and may be used by the department and those entities specified in, and pursuant to, subdivision (b) or (c) of Section 11105, through the California Law Enforcement Telecommunications System, only for law enforcement purposes. The ammunition vendor shall not use, sell, disclose, or share the information for any other purpose other than the submission required by this subdivision without the express written consent of the purchaser or transferee.
(c) Commencing on July 1, 2019, only those persons listed in this subdivision, or those persons or entities listed in subdivision (e), shall be authorized to purchase ammunition. Prior to delivering any ammunition, an ammunition vendor shall require bona fide evidence of identity to verify that the person who is receiving delivery of the ammunition is a person or entity listed in subdivision (e) or one of the following:
(1) A person authorized to purchase ammunition pursuant to Section 30370.
(2) A person who was approved by the department to receive a firearm from the ammunition vendor, pursuant to Section 28220, if that vendor is a licensed firearms dealer, and the ammunition is delivered to the person in the same transaction as the firearm.
(d) Commencing July 1, 2019, the ammunition vendor shall verify with the department, in a manner prescribed by the department, that the person is authorized to purchase ammunition. If the person is not listed as an authorized ammunition purchaser, the vendor shall deny the sale or transfer.
(e) Subdivisions (a) and (d) shall not apply to sales or other transfers of ownership of ammunition by ammunition vendors to any of the following, if properly identified:
(1) An ammunition vendor.
(2) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the department pursuant to Article 6 (commencing with Section 28450) of Chapter 6 of Division 6.

Now, do you really need to provide bona fide evidence that you are who you say you are to yourself? That seems pretty silly. Now if you were to want to buy ammo from me, sure I should get a copy of your ID and your CFD cover sheet probably. But for myself, I always have those documents on hand and so I am probably not going to sweat it. It definitely says in

[M1NM]

Even if you don't need to do the BG check and spent the buck I'd keep a log of what you personally bought. Who is to say DOJ won't start visiting dealers and doing inventory audits to make sure stray bullets aren't making out the back door.

[tenpercentfirearms]

Even if you don't need to do the BG check and spent the buck I'd keep a log of what you personally bought. Who is to say DOJ won't start visiting dealers and doing inventory audits to make sure stray bullets aren't making out the back door.

My refusing to provide them with my POS data without a proper warrant. Further, without an A&D record, I can sell ammunition out of state at will with no paperwork requirements. To clarify, they have zero authority to do audits on where you ammunition is going. Do not give them more power than they actually have.

And I found more CCR that clarifies this subject.

(a) The following types of identification will properly identify an individual who is exempt pursuant to Penal Code section 30352, subdivision (e), from Department approval to purchase or transfer ammunition.
(1) An ammunition vendor shall present a valid Ammunition Vendor License issued pursuant to Penal Code section 30385.
(2) A person who is on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees maintained by the Department shall present a Department-issued Listing Acknowledgement Letter indicating that the individual is currently on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees.
...
(c) At the time of delivery, the ammunition vendor COE holder, authorized associate, or salesperson shall require the purchaser or transferee to provide an identification document that meets the requirements of Penal Code section 16300, to verify that the person who is receiving delivery of the ammunition is the person exempted pursuant to Penal Code section 30352, subdivision (e).
(d) Once the ammunition vendor has verified that the individual is exempt from Department approval to purchase or transfer ammunition, the ammunition vendor may process an ammunition purchase or transfer without Department approval.

So I checked my CFD cover sheet and my ID at the time of purchase. However, I did not need to retain the records because I did not submit the data. If you are really concerned about retaining a record, make a copy of your DL or ID and keep it with your CFD cover sheet in a file somewhere. Again, there is zero requirement you track your own purchases except for tax purposes.