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  • LJ Guns
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • Jul 2013
    • 228

    SSE handguns not allowed on CCW- PPT option?

    Hey guys, I posted a question in a general forum but wanted to get the perspective of other FFL's. In many CA counties, now to include mine (Kern), SSE handguns are not being allowed on CCW's. Many folks are referring to a Pawn/return option as a remedy. I'm posing the question: Can an individual PPT to themselves? Yes I know, at first glance it seems fishy but I cannot find any verbiage in Penal Code that states it MUST be 2 separate individuals (only that it must be FTF and both Buyer and Seller must be CA residents). I'm viewing this like the assault weapon "re-registration" requirement...owner is simply re-registering it to themselves (except in this case in order to correct/update the sub category of the handgun; was SSE, now semi auto). Not a straw purchase since "Buyer" is truly "purchasing" it for themselves. Why could this be better than the pawn option? $35 vs $50, and in many cases our shops here in Bakersfield require a 30 day hold before they'll submit/process anything. So PPT could be cheaper and much faster, especially of the individual has multiple handguns they want to process at the same time.
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    bohoki
    I need a LIFE!!
    • Jan 2006
    • 20825

    it is s touchy situation i too wonder if there is some way to find a friend and sell it to him then have him sell it back or would that be a straw purchase?

    a pawn return seems like the cheapest way but i dont know if i would trust a pawn shop to not lose it by accident

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      kemasa
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jun 2005
      • 10706

      Originally posted by bohoki
      it is s touchy situation i too wonder if there is some way to find a friend and sell it to him then have him sell it back or would that be a straw purchase?
      It would be a straw purchase since they wouldn't be the actual buyer/transferee.

      a pawn return seems like the cheapest way but i dont know if i would trust a pawn shop to not lose it by accident
      They would have a serious problem if they lost a firearm. As long as they have a good reputation, I don't think it would be something to worry about.
      Kemasa.
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        E Michael
        Veteran Member
        • Jun 2012
        • 2513

        Intrafamily transfer to spouse, then back.

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        • #5
          LJ Guns
          CGN/CGSSA Contributor
          CGN Contributor
          • Jul 2013
          • 228

          Originally posted by E Michael
          Intrafamily transfer to spouse, then back.
          Possible option...if you're married. Down side is the wait time to mail into DOJ, await confirmation letter x 2.

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            E Michael
            Veteran Member
            • Jun 2012
            • 2513

            Originally posted by LJ Guns
            Possible option...if you're married. Down side is the wait time to mail into DOJ, await confirmation letter x 2.
            some IA allow you to use your spouses gun.

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              tnlrat37
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              • Dec 2010
              • 2166

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              • #8
                Librarian
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                • Oct 2005
                • 44661

                Originally posted by LJ Guns
                Possible option...if you're married. Down side is the wait time to mail into DOJ, await confirmation letter x 2.
                Since the forms document a completed action, one is not required to wait for those confirmations.

                It might still be a Good Idea, to avoid confusing the data entry clerks.
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                • #9
                  acespawnshop
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                  • Jun 2012
                  • 2852

                  Originally posted by kemasa


                  They would have a serious problem if they lost a firearm. As long as they have a good reputation, I don't think it would be something to worry about.
                  Actually ATF has rules that are different for the various types of FFL you get. So pawnbrokers usually will get the 02 FFL and with that FFL we are allowed to lose no more than 99 firearms per year.
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                  • #10
                    kemasa
                    I need a LIFE!!
                    • Jun 2005
                    • 10706

                    Originally posted by acespawnshop
                    Actually ATF has rules that are different for the various types of FFL you get. So pawnbrokers usually will get the 02 FFL and with that FFL we are allowed to lose no more than 99 firearms per year.
                    And someone might think that you are serious even with the
                    Kemasa.
                    False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

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                    • #11
                      ErikC12
                      Member
                      • Feb 2019
                      • 344

                      Perhaps OT, but what is the justification for not allowing SSE on the permit? Just that it isn't in "as manufactured" configuration?

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