Roster Determination

[nn21]

Hi Guys,

I'm hoping to get a bit of insight on determining roster status, or how it's checked by the ffl, for a sig p232 coming from out of state. I've been first refusal for a stainless p232 from an ffl in Arizona. I know there are two versions on the roster but can't seem to find a definitive answer to which, if either, it is. It was taken in on ppt without the original box so I have no way to assign it to the 232-bss-sss sku on the roster. It does have the black hogue grips which would seem to fit the hogue grips/stainless entry on the roster. What I'm trying to determine is how I, or the ffl on either end of the transaction, can determine roster status before I make the transaction. I want to avoid paying for a gun just to have it show up and run through the system during dros and coming back off roster, if that's even how the process works.

Any help is appreciated

[SkyHawk]

It is up to your receiving FFL to determine if it is on roster. After the FFL enters it as a rostered model from the drop down list, it isn’t going to get kicked back by DOJ.

Stainless with Hogue grips seems like a dead ringer for the one listed on the roster. Have your FFL take a look at photos of the actual gun you want and if they agree, then you’re set.

I don’t think Sig made a lot of variants of the 232, it sounds to me like you should be good to go but the only opinion that matters is your receiving/transfer FFL.

[ugimports]

Hi Guys,

I'm hoping to get a bit of insight on determining roster status, or how it's checked by the ffl, for a sig p232 coming from out of state. I've been first refusal for a stainless p232 from an ffl in Arizona. I know there are two versions on the roster but can't seem to find a definitive answer to which, if either, it is. It was taken in on ppt without the original box so I have no way to assign it to the 232-bss-sss sku on the roster. It does have the black hogue grips which would seem to fit the hogue grips/stainless entry on the roster. What I'm trying to determine is how I, or the ffl on either end of the transaction, can determine roster status before I make the transaction. I want to avoid paying for a gun just to have it show up and run through the system during dros and coming back off roster, if that's even how the process works.

Any help is appreciated

Ask the seller for the serial number.
Call Sig and have them validate that serial number is the on roster version or at least what their original SKU was for it.

They should be able to do that.

[code_blue]

Has anyone ever received a denial from DOJ due to the pistol not being on the roster? I have no idea how DOJ would be able to tell, frankly. Kind of like how Glock gens 1-3 are all OK.

[ugimports]

Has anyone ever received a denial from DOJ due to the pistol not being on the roster? I have no idea how DOJ would be able to tell, frankly. Kind of like how Glock gens 1-3 are all OK.

They don't know. If, however, they find out there is an error, they will blame the FFL.

[kemasa]

If for some reason the transaction attracts the notice of the CA DOJ, then they can do the same thing that you can and check with the manufacturer. If they find that it isn't really a certified firearm, then there can be problems. This is why a FFL should only transfer firearms which they believe to be on the certified list (if required) and not play the game of seeing what they can get away with, the same apples to customers as well.

[mmaaka]

Has anyone ever received a denial from DOJ due to the pistol not being on the roster? I have no idea how DOJ would be able to tell, frankly. Kind of like how Glock gens 1-3 are all OK.

they know at the time of DROS. we select the gun make and model and if its not on the drop down list then its off roster.

[kemasa]

they know at the time of DROS. we select the gun make and model and if its not on the drop down list then its off roster.

Not exactly.

If the firearm has been modified, it is not considered to be on the list.

What the firearm actually is doesn't mean that is what is selected. There are CA versions of some firearms and if the firearm isn't the CA version and the CA version is selected from the list, it will go through unless and until it is noticed.

[nn21]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I called sig and they confirmed that it came with hogue grips from the factory. I'm going to take that as a pretty definitive meeting of the "P232 (Stainless) Hogue Grips / Stainless Steel" roster entry.

[RoundEye]

Kind of like how Glock gens 1-3 are all OK.

Is that true, can you run Gen 1, and 2 guns under the Gen 3 roster entry in DES?

[ugimports]

Thanks for the advice everyone. I called sig and they confirmed that it came with hogue grips from the factory. I'm going to take that as a pretty definitive meeting of the "P232 (Stainless) Hogue Grips / Stainless Steel" roster entry.

You should have asked them if it is the CA DOJ rostered version if you had them on the phone.

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[code_blue]

Is that true, can you run Gen 1, and 2 guns under the Gen 3 roster entry in DES?

According to the few threads on CGN about the subject, it appears to be a, "yes". I do not have personal experience with DROSing Gen 1-2 via dealer transfer, however. IIRC, someone also posted that DOJ advised them it was OK. Likely due to the fact that Gen 1-3 don't have any markings indicated generations like the G4-5's do.



I had one incident of DOJ recovery and I think it was when Colt pulled just about everything off the list, so I guess this recovery was due to Colt no longer being on list and not the same as what we're discussing. Anyways, we had to recover the Colt from the buyer. DOJ basically stated that if the buyer refused to come in for a refund, they would go confiscate and he would not get a refund. He came in the next day.

Now, we also have folks who DROS'd G5's during that week or so period where the roster only stated that G4's were not legal. I know there were FFL's DROSing G5's during that period. Is anyone aware if there were recovery attempts on those?

[nn21]

You should have asked them if it is the CA DOJ rostered version if you had them on the phone.

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I did. His response was "Thats an old serial number and wont come up in our system", which I tend to be skeptical of. I explained the two listings on the roster and his response was "The grips for the stainless 232's were all made by hogue" and that he believe that seemed to fit the non SKU roster entry.

[RoundEye]

I had one incident of DOJ recovery and I think it was when Colt pulled just about everything off the list, so I guess this recovery was due to Colt no longer being on list and not the same as what we're discussing. Anyways, we had to recover the Colt from the buyer. DOJ basically stated that if the buyer refused to come in for a refund, they would go confiscate and he would not get a refund. He came in the next day.

Now, we also have folks who DROS'd G5's during that week or so period where the roster only stated that G4's were not legal. I know there were FFL's DROSing G5's during that period. Is anyone aware if there were recovery attempts on those?

I've heard about those "recovery attempts". It's good that he came in, but I am surprised that he didn't tell you to F Off.

Interesting note about the Gen 5s, I hadn't heard that one before.

[code_blue]

I've heard about those "recovery attempts". It's good that he came in, but I am surprised that he didn't tell you to F Off.

Interesting note about the Gen 5s, I hadn't heard that one before.

It happens every year when guns fall on and off the list and the fabled "roster grace period" is in effect. In this case, Colt did not renew prompting the DOJ notification to recover. Once we explained that to him, he agreed to come in and we refunded in full. We did not have to advise what DOJ stated.

Yea, the G5 event was documented here by some members. Dunno what became of them.