Muzzle device attachment for rimfire rifle to meet OAL?

[EBR Works]

What is the current requirement for muzzle attachment for meeting CA non-SBR status for a rimfire

[RoundEye]

What is the current requirement for muzzle attachment for meeting CA non-SBR status for a rimfire

I'm not an 07, but I wouldn't believe so.

My interpretation is that if the barrel is over 16", then the barrel is fine. If you need to make OAL, you just need to add a longer stock, or longer muzzle device to make length. If they required a muzzle device to be permanently attached to an otherwise compliant barrel, I would think the same for a stock would be required. However, the CADOJ doesn't always make sense either.

[audiophil2]

Anything on the muzzle end needs to copy NFA guidelines as Ca took that part of the law from the NFA. Pin and weld or silver solder.

Anything on the stock end only needs to not be easily removable/defeatable.

It is much easier to modify the stock on the cmr30 to not close under 26" than to pin/weld some nose heavy extension.

[RoundEye]

Anything on the muzzle end needs to copy NFA guidelines as Ca took that part of the law from the NFA. Pin and weld or silver solder.

Isn't that only for a barrel to make length (less than 16")?

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes_displaySection.xhtml?lawCode=PEN&sectionNum=17170

[BONECUTTER]

The AW Regs said:

(x) "Overall length of less than 30 inches" with respect to a centerfire rifle means the rifle has been measured in the shortest possible configuration that the weapon will' function/fire and the measurement is less than 30 inches Folding and telescoping stocks shall be collapsed prior to measurement The approved method for measuring the length of the
rifle is to measure the firearm from the end of the barrel or permanently attached muzzle device if so equipped to thwart of the stock that is furthest from the end of the barrel, or permanently attached muzzle device (Prior to taking a measurement the owner must also check and muzzle devices for how thev are attached to the barrel.)

No such requirement for permanence for rimfire rifles

[audiophil2]

Isn't that only for a barrel to make length (less than 16")?



https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/f...ctionNum=17170

That applies to NFA but the recent CA law copied the NFA style modification to get rifles out to 30.1".

The AW Regs said:


No such requirement for permanence for rimfire rifles

While not required most CA FFLs do not understand the difference. Modifying a stock for $1 in parts is far less costly than a. wasting time trying to convince a CA FFL a screw on extension is fine or b. pin/welding an extension to get a CA FFL to accept the transfer after he kicks it back claiming a screw on extension is illegal. The pin/weld is a de facto law I have zero interest in debating.

After 2017 there are so many interpretations of CA law I no longer assume anything and just tell my clients to get confirmation their FFL will accept the gun the way they want it shipped. Saves everyone involved a lot of time. The rimfire issue is a big time waster to the point I have told clients to buy elsewhere if they want to debate me because I lose money arguing with them or shipping a compliant gun and then getting it sent back because the FFL changed his mind. I have shipped a lot of those cmr30's to CA and it has always been an easy process when they are converted my way.


If EBR or any other middleman likes aggravation then he is welcome to swim upstream. I was just trying to make his life easier.

[BONECUTTER]

While not required most CA FFLs do not understand the difference..
I was just trying to make his life easier.

I get that but your post was mislead by saying:

Anything on the muzzle end needs to copy NFA guidelines as Ca took that part of the law from the NFA. Pin and weld or silver solder.

and not

Anything on the muzzle end should copy NFA guidelines for idiot FFL's who can't read simple english.

[RoundEye]

Do either of you have a link to these NFA Guidelines, and the corresponding Guidelines for California that require a barrel > 16" to have a permanently attached muzzle device to make the OAL calculation > 26"?

[EBR Works]

After some searching, I found this:

https://johnpierceesq.com/when-does-the-length-of-my-flash-hider-or-suppressor-add-to-the-barrel-length-or-overall-length-of-my-firearm/

From this, one could reasonably infer that CA would require permanent attachment since the Feds appear to do so and CA never applies a lower standard.

Thanks to all that responded.