determining roster status of older guns.

[shootsocal_dave]

So when you buy a older pistol, do you have a hard time determining if it is a "safe handgun". I know on the DOJ website, it states that night sights are OK on all models, but what actually constitutes a different model, and where is that in the law? I see that Make/Model/Barrel Length/Caliber and Material are all mentioned, but how do you determine if the gun in your hands is that model? Some guns have the SKU or Barcode, some have a model number, some have a series!

A Beretta with wood grips? A Mag Research Desert Eagle with IMI grips vs IWI grips or eagle grips. Some guns never really had changes on thier CA models, but some guns have been produced fro 20-30 years that qualify for the roster.

Some are easy calls, some are not. What do you use to help you determine a "safe handgun"

[ASD1]

The gun has to be "AS TESTED" by the DOJ.

The only thing that can be changed is the "sights"

Any other mod and it's no longer the "SAME GUN"

One way to check the "MODEL" is to call the manufacture with the SN# and ask them

They you still have to make sure that it was not modified

[shootsocal_dave]

Thats my understanding. Where does it say anything about sights? Penal code? or just the DOJs interpretation?

PC32030
(a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 32015 if another firearm made by the same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following features:
(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating, oiling, or engraving.
(2) The material from which the grips are made.
(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the following:
(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.
(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer seeks to have listed under this section.
(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other respects identical to the listed firearm.
(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model complies with the requirements of this section.

I think this actually refers to a mfg ADDING another gun to the roster, piggybacking off a already tested model, but I dont think this applies to what Im talking about.

[shootsocal_dave]

In example, Glock Gen 1 Gen 2 Gen 3 may all be considered a G19, however a Gen 4 or Gen 5 are G19Gen4 and G19Ge5 and not on the roster.

[taperxz]

Thats my understanding. Where does it say anything about sights? Penal code? or just the DOJs interpretation?

PC32030
(a) A firearm shall be deemed to satisfy the requirements of subdivision (a) of Section 32015 if another firearm made by the same manufacturer is already listed and the unlisted firearm differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the following features:
(1) Finish, including, but not limited to, bluing, chrome-plating, oiling, or engraving.
(2) The material from which the grips are made.
(3) The shape or texture of the grips, so long as the difference in grip shape or texture does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.
(b) Any manufacturer seeking to have a firearm listed under this section shall provide to the Department of Justice all of the following:
(1) The model designation of the listed firearm.
(2) The model designation of each firearm that the manufacturer seeks to have listed under this section.
(3) A statement, under oath, that each unlisted firearm for which listing is sought differs from the listed firearm only in one or more of the ways identified in subdivision (a) and is in all other respects identical to the listed firearm.
(c) The department may, in its discretion and at any time, require a manufacturer to provide to the department any model for which listing is sought under this section, to determine whether the model complies with the requirements of this section.

I think this actually refers to a mfg ADDING another gun to the roster, piggybacking off a already tested model, but I dont think this applies to what Im talking about.

It says it on the roster website.

[shootsocal_dave]

I know it says it on the Roster website, I was wondering if that was anywhere in the law, or just on the website.

[Tyke8319]

I know it says it on the Roster website, I was wondering if that was anywhere in the law, or just on the website.

It's not on the web site. It was/is just DOJ's call.

[SkyHawk]

Thats my understanding. Where does it say anything about sights? Penal code? or just the DOJs interpretation?

I know it says it on the Roster website, I was wondering if that was anywhere in the law, or just on the website.

(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

[ugimports]

(4) Any other purely cosmetic feature that does not in any way alter the dimensions, material, linkage, or functioning of the magazine well, the barrel, the chamber, or any of the components of the firing mechanism of the firearm.

Ironically pink cerakote seems to effect that..

and sights can most definitely alter the dimensions...even if by just a mm..whereas different grips can be dimensionally the same as stock and even of the same material.., but different color grips are a no go...

as we all know it's BS anyway....