DOJ Shipping Authorization

[acespawnshop]

When I have shipped a firearm to a CA dealer I have generated the letter but I don't keep copies.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs#14

Do I have to retain Firearms Shipment Approval numbers for firearms I receive?

• If you are on the Centralized List of Exempted Federal Firearms LicenseesCalifornia firearm dealers licensed pursuant to Penal Code section 26700 are not required to maintain firearm shipment approval numbers.

You are not on the centralized list so you would not need to retain a copy.

[scoutpup99]

I am on the centralized list and have been since 2007. First as an 01 then as a 07 for located in Riverside county. Since I am on the centralized list and not the exempt list there is absolutely no reason to retain the cflc shipping numbers that are sent to me. The only people that have to retain the cflc number are those few and far between ffl holders that are on the exempt list. All others can shred the cflc records upon receipt.

[OCArmory]

You are misreading. If you are on the centralized list you have to retain them.

[shootsocal_dave]

[scoutpup99]

I Know where most of the confusion comes from. When the CFLC program was rolled out we all received a CA DOJ Bulletin that stated we had to retain the records for 3 years. But if you read the penal code then and now you will see that the DOJ was wrong.

https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...008-BOF-05.pdf

FAQ. Page 6 of 7:

15) I am a California FFL who receives firearm shipments. How long must I retain Firearms Shipment Approval letters?

Section 12083. (Amended by Stats. 2009, Ch. 334, Sec. 4.)

(a)Commencing January 1, 2008, the Department of Justice shall keep a centralized list of persons who identify themselves as being licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code as a dealer, importer, or manufacturer of firearms whose licensed premises are within this state and who declare to the department an exemption from the firearms dealer licensing requirements of Section 12070. The list shall be known as the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees. To qualify for placement on the centralized list, an applicant shall do all of the following:

(d)(1)All persons on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees prescribed by subdivision (a) shall record and keep on file for three years, the verification number that shall accompany firearms received from other federal firearms licensees pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 12072.

Section 12072. (Amended by Stats. 2009, Ch. 334, Sec. 2.)

(f)(1)(A)Commencing July 1, 2008, a person who is licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code may not deliver, sell, or transfer a firearm to a person in California who is licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code unless, prior to delivery, the person intending to deliver, sell, or transfer the firearm obtains a verification number via the Internet for the intended delivery, sale, or transfer, from the department. If Internet service is unavailable to either the department or the licensee due to a technical or other malfunction, or a federal firearms licensee who is located outside of California does not possess a computer or have Internet access, alternate means of communication, including facsimile or telephone, shall be made available for a licensee to obtain a verification number in order to comply with this section.

(B)For every verification number request received pursuant to this section, the department shall determine whether the intended recipient is on the centralized list of firearms dealers pursuant to this section, or the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees pursuant to subdivision (a) of Section 12083, or the centralized list of firearms manufacturers pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 12086.
(C)If the department finds after the reviews specified in subparagraph (B) that the intended recipient is authorized to receive the firearm shipment, the department shall issue to the inquiring party a unique verification number for the intended delivery, sale, or transfer. One verification number shall be issued for each delivery, sale, or transfer, which may involve multiple firearms. In addition to the unique verification number, the department may provide to the inquiring party information necessary for determining the eligibility of the intended recipient to receive the firearm. The person intending to deliver, sell, or transfer the firearm shall provide the unique verification number to the recipient along with the firearm upon delivery, in a manner to be determined by the department.
(D)If the department finds after the reviews specified in subparagraph (B) that the intended recipient is not authorized to receive the firearm shipment, the department shall notify the inquiring party that the intended recipient is ineligible to receive the shipment.
(E)The department shall prescribe the manner in which the verification numbers may be requested via the Internet, or by alternate means of communication, such as by facsimile or telephone, including all required enrollment information and procedures.

[taperxz]

Exempted means you are not transferring guns to customers using the DES as in gunsmithing only.

If you use the DES you must maintain the CFLC #.

You don’t know what a recieving doc is? Most distributors have the CFLC # on the invoice. I use that instead of the letter. If it’s not on the invoice, we write it on the invoice since ther serial number is there along with number of firearms.

[scoutpup99]

Taperxz, You need to review the doj FAQ Previously posted.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/cflcfaqs#14

Do I have to retain Firearms Shipment Approval numbers for firearms I receive?

• California firearm dealers licensed pursuant to Penal Code section 26700 are not required to maintain firearm shipment approval numbers.

I use DES since I am a licensed dealer per 26700 listed on the centralized list. There is no REQUIREMENT for me to retain the shipping number and I don't. Once I enter a firearm in my bound book I generally shred the invoice, shipping letter and any non necessary paperwork. Please read the penal codes listed previously.

[taperxz]

Taperxz, You need to review the doj FAQ Previously posted.





I use DES since I am a licensed dealer per 26700 listed on the centralized list. There is no REQUIREMENT for me to retain the shipping number and I don't. Once I enter a firearm in my bound book I generally shred the invoice, shipping letter and any non necessary paperwork. Please read the penal codes listed previously.

So, who exactly in the law is required to keep the CFLC number for 3 years? Keep in mind that only FFLs with a CFD are on the centralized list. What entity or business?

[rbetts]

(d)(1)All persons on the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees prescribed by subdivision (a) shall record and keep on file for three years, the verification number that shall accompany firearms received from other federal firearms licensees pursuant to subdivision (f) of Section 12072.

Seems that only exempted dealers need to keep the number. . . .The DOJ has the approval number for guns sent to CFLC NON exempted dealers already.


NICE CATCH and Way less paperwork now. . . .Suhweet!!!

[scoutpup99]

So, who exactly in the law is required to keep the CFLC number for 3 years? Keep in mind that only FFLs with a CFD are on the centralized list. What entity or business?

The only people required to keep the shipping approval number are dealers on the If you are on the Centralized List of Exempted Federal Firearms LicenseesSection 28450 shall record and keep on file for three years, the verification number that shall accompany firearms received from other federal firearms licensees pursuant to Section 27555Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code as a dealer, importer, or manufacturer of firearms whose licensed premises are within this state and who declare to the department an exemption from the firearms dealer licensing requirements of Section 26500 .

(b) The list shall be known as the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees.

(c) To qualify for placement on the centralized list, an applicant shall do all of the following:
(1) Possess a valid federal firearms license pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code as a dealer, importer, or manufacturer of firearms.

(2) Possess a current, valid certificate of eligibility pursuant to Section 26710 .

(3) Maintain with the department a signed declaration enumerating the applicant's statutory exemptions from licensing requirements of Section 26500 .

[taperxz]

The only people required to keep the shipping approval number are dealers on the If you are on the Centralized List of Exempted Federal Firearms LicenseesSection 28450 shall record and keep on file for three years, the verification number that shall accompany firearms received from other federal firearms licensees pursuant to Section 27555Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code as a dealer, importer, or manufacturer of firearms whose licensed premises are within this state and who declare to the department an exemption from the firearms dealer licensing requirements of Section 26500 .

(b) The list shall be known as the centralized list of exempted federal firearms licensees.

(c) To qualify for placement on the centralized list, an applicant shall do all of the following:
(1) Possess a valid federal firearms license pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921 ) of Title 18 of the United States Code as a dealer, importer, or manufacturer of firearms.

(2) Possess a current, valid certificate of eligibility pursuant to Section 26710 .

(3) Maintain with the department a signed declaration enumerating the applicant's statutory exemptions from licensing requirements of Section 26500 .

[scoutpup99]

The only type of people that I could see as being on the Exempt list would be someone like a gunsmith that does not transfer guns to non-dealers, product evaluators that don't sell or transfer guns to anyone but dealers or manufacturers, or someone that is a manufacturer rep that does sales demos but not transfers.

I have only met one and he was actually getting rid of his ffl since CA was making it a pain for him. He was a regional rep for Ruger and had the ffl and exempt listing so he could hand deliver guns to dealers as needed.

[taperxz]

The only type of people that I could see as being on the Exempt list would be someone like a gunsmith that does not transfer guns to non-dealers, product evaluators that don't sell or transfer guns to anyone but dealers or manufacturers, or someone that is a manufacturer rep that does sales demos but not transfers.

I have only met one and he was actually getting rid of his ffl since CA was making it a pain for him. He was a regional rep for Ruger and had the ffl and exempt listing so he could hand deliver guns to dealers as needed.

Gunsmith only folks with an FFL are not required to be on any state list. If my recollection is right. You would not be able to find them on the CFLC site. CFLC is basically a CFD check to see if its legal to ship gun to that CA FFL

[upsdude]

I was double checking my 2017 records for final filing. I found an invoice from one of my normal wholesalers with no DOJ authorization number or sheet. I didn't pick up on it up at the time as that wholesaler doesn't include the separate approval sheet, just an approval number on the invoice. Its a long gun so no roster issues. Also not an AW type rifle.

Ever had this happen? What should I do about it now? Can the wholesaler get post approval?

i ran into this issue recently. i lost the cflc letter that came with the firearm-i was able to go on the cflc site and reprint the authorization letter since i still had the invoice of the firearm. i don't know how far back you can go thought. hope this helps.

[ugimports]

i ran into this issue recently. i lost the cflc letter that came with the firearm-i was able to go on the cflc site and reprint the authorization letter since i still had the invoice of the firearm. i don't know how far back you can go thought. hope this helps.

How did you re-print a letter for a firearm from an FFL that shipped it to you?