C & R question

[Dimitri A.]

I asked this in the C & R section, but then realized I might get a more accurate answer here in the FFL forum.

I'm looking to buy a Sistema Colt 1911 off of GB (all of these are more than 50 years old). These qualify as C & R under federal guidelines. Am I able to "import" it into CA, or does CA not recognize C & R status firearms anymore?

[TRICKSTER]

Once again.

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns

[SkyHawk]

Anything 50 years old or older is roster exempt. Can be imported into CA. Be prepared to convince your FFL that it is older than 50 years, using information he can rely on. Get approval from your FFL before importing. As I understand it, the Sistemas were all produced before 1967.

[kemasa]

The firearms have to shipped to a dealer and as said, you need to be able to show that it is really over 50 years old or listed on the C&R list.

[rockogrease]

They made sitema colts were made in documented time periods. They should all be easy to prove that they are C&R and can be registered as such. If a dealer gives you grief, get a different dealer.

[rockogrease]

Once again.

https://www.oag.ca.gov/firearms/certguns

What does that even mean?

[TRICKSTER]

What does that even mean?

It means that I provided the easily found information in both of the threads that the OP posted.

[acespawnshop]

What does that even mean?

"Nobody knows what it means, but it's provocative and gets the people going."

[Dimitri A.]

As I understand it, the Sistemas were all produced before 1967.

I believe you are correct. Based on what I've learned so far, the newest ones were made in '66. The federal C&R list specifically identifies Sistemas as being roster exempt, but I know CA couldn't care less about federal guidelines, so thought I'd check here first.

Thanks.

[shootsocal_dave]

You are missing the point. Either a handgun needs to be on the roster, a C&R, or a PPT. Its not on the roster, but it IS C&R so it is exempt from the roster. Federal doesnt have a roster, just Modern, C&R and Antique. The sistema is good to go in CA because it is over 50 years old. CA DOJ follows the federal definition of C&R of 50 years old or on the list of C&R firearms.

You are GOOD TO GO. Just mind that they ARE subject to the 1/30 rule.

[kemasa]

You are GOOD TO GO. Just mind that they ARE subject to the 1/30 rule.

C&R firearms are exempt from the 1 in 30 if the buyer has a C&R FFL.

[shootsocal_dave]

Assuming the OP question I assumed the OP doesnt have a FFL. But good point.

[kemasa]

Others read this too.

[kemasa]

Anyone else get spam from rockogrease?

[Quiet]

I asked this in the C & R section, but then realized I might get a more accurate answer here in the FFL forum.

I'm looking to buy a Sistema Colt 1911 off of GB (all of these are more than 50 years old). These qualify as C & R under federal guidelines. Am I able to "import" it into CA, or does CA not recognize C & R status firearms anymore?

C&R handguns are exempt from needing to be listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale. [PC 32000(b)(3) & 32110(g)]

Unless you have a valid C&R FFL and physically acquire the C&R firearm out-of-state and bring it back to CA [PC 27565], then the C&R firearm needs to be shipped to a CA FFL dealer. [PC 27585(a) & 27585(b)(1)]

If the transferee has a valid C&R FFL and valid COE; then they are exempt, when acquiring C&R firearms, from the 10 day waiting period and 1 in 30 day wait. [PC 26970 & 27535(b)(9)]



Penal Code 27565
(a) This section applies in the following circumstances:
(1) A person is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(2) The licensed premises of that person are within this state.
(3) The licensed collector acquires, outside of this state, a handgun, and commencing January 1, 2014, any firearm.
(4) The licensed collector takes actual possession of that firearm outside of this state pursuant to the provisions of subsection (j) of Section 923 of Title 18 of the United States Code, as amended by Public Law 104-208, and transports the firearm into this state.
(5) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(b) Within five days of transporting a firearm into this state under the circumstances described in subdivision (a), the licensed collector shall report the acquisition of that firearm to the department in a format prescribed by the department.

Penal Code 27585
(a) Commencing January 1, 2015, a resident of this state shall not import into this state, bring into this state, or transport into this state, any firearm that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained on or after January 1, 2015, from outside of this state unless he or she first has that firearm delivered to a dealer in this state for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 27540 and Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) and Article 2 (commencing with Section 26800) of Chapter 2.
(b) Subdivision (a) does not apply to or affect any of the following:
(1) A licensed collector who is subject to and complies with Section 27565.

Penal Code 26970
(a) The waiting period described in Section 26815 does not apply to the sale, delivery, loan, or transfer of a firearm if all of the following conditions are satisfied:
(1) The firearm is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations, or its successor.
(2) The sale, delivery, loan, or transfer is made by a dealer.
(3) The sale, delivery, loan, or transfer is made to a person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto.
(4) The licensed collector has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Section 26710.
(b) On the date that the sale, delivery, or transfer is made, the dealer delivering the firearm shall transmit to the Department of Justice an electronic or telephonic report of the transaction as is indicated in Section 28160 or 28165.

Penal Code 27535
(a) No person shall make an application to purchase more than one handgun within any 30-day period.
(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to any of the following:
(9) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.

Penal Code 32000
(a) A person in this state who manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state for sale, keeps for sale, offers or exposes for sale, gives, or lends an unsafe handgun shall be punished by imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year.
(b) This section shall not apply to any of the following:
(3) Firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.

Penal Code 32110
Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the following:
(g) The sale, loan, or transfer of any pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person listed as a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.