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  • ronlglock
    CGN/CGSSA Contributor
    CGN Contributor
    • May 2011
    • 2670

    Off-roster firearm for evaluation

    Hypothetically, if a member of the press was asked by a manufacturer to evaluate and write up an off-roster firearm, is there any way to lend it to that person in CA?


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    ripro75
    Vendor/Retailer
    • Apr 2009
    • 1676

    I believe it would have to go through an FFL as per PC27880

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      kemasa
      I need a LIFE!!
      • Jun 2005
      • 10706

      I believe there is an exemption in the CA PC to allow for that, but you would have to look at it to find out what the requirements actually are.
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        RickD427
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        • Jan 2007
        • 9272

        Yes. Please refer to Penal Code section 27750 to see if your situation qualifies.
        Last edited by RickD427; 01-21-2018, 11:37 AM.
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          taperxz
          I need a LIFE!!
          • Feb 2010
          • 19395

          Originally posted by ronlglock
          Hypothetically, if a member of the press was asked by a manufacturer to evaluate and write up an off-roster firearm, is there any way to lend it to that person in CA?


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          • #6
            Quiet
            retired Goon
            • Mar 2007
            • 30242

            Originally posted by ronlglock
            Hypothetically, if a member of the press was asked by a manufacturer to evaluate and write up an off-roster firearm, is there any way to lend it to that person in CA?
            That member of the press would need a valid COE and need documentation establishing their business relationship with firearm manufacturer.
            (what's required to be considered a "consultant-evaluator")

            The firearm requires a 4473/DROS for the loan.
            ^ this loan is exempt from 10 day wait and 1 in 30 day wait for handguns. [PC 27750(a)]
            ^ if firearm is handgun, then it can be off-Roster. [PC 32110(j)]


            Penal Code 16410
            As used in this part, “consultant-evaluator” means a consultant or evaluator who, in the course of that person’s profession is loaned firearms from a person licensed pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, for research or evaluation, and has a current certificate of eligibility issued pursuant to Section 26710.

            Penal Code 27750
            (a) Section 27540 does not apply to the loan of an unloaded firearm to a consultant-evaluator by a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, if the loan does not exceed 45 days from the date of delivery.
            (b) At the time of the loan, the consultant-evaluator shall provide the following information, which the dealer shall retain for two years:
            (1) A photocopy of a valid, current, government-issued identification to determine the consultant-evaluator’s identity, including, but not limited to, a California driver’s license, identification card, or passport.
            (2) A photocopy of the consultant-evaluator’s valid, current certificate of eligibility.
            (3) A letter from the person licensed as an importer, manufacturer, or dealer pursuant to Chapter 44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States Code, with whom the consultant-evaluator has a bona fide business relationship. The letter shall detail the bona fide business purposes for which the firearm is being loaned and confirm that the consultant-evaluator is being loaned the firearm as part of a bona fide business relationship.
            (4) The signature of the consultant-evaluator on a form indicating the date the firearm is loaned and the last day the firearm may be returned.

            Penal Code 32110
            Article 4 (commencing with Section 31900) and Article 5 (commencing with Section 32000) shall not apply to any of the following:
            (j) The delivery of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person by a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, where the firearm is being loaned by the licensee to a consultant-evaluator.
            (k) The return of a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person to a person licensed pursuant to Sections 26700 to 26915, inclusive, where it was initially delivered pursuant to subdivision (j).
            Last edited by Quiet; 01-21-2018, 11:43 AM.
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              ronlglock
              CGN/CGSSA Contributor
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              • May 2011
              • 2670

              Last edited by ronlglock; 01-21-2018, 1:11 PM.
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              • #8
                kemasa
                I need a LIFE!!
                • Jun 2005
                • 10706

                They also need a CA DOJ COE, as well as: "The signature of the consultant-evaluator on a form indicating the date the firearm is loaned and the last day the firearm may be returned."

                Basically, go through each item and ensure that it is being met.
                Kemasa.
                False signature edited by Paul: Banned from the FFL forum due to being rude and insulting. Doing this continues his abuse.

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