Use Same Lock For Two PPT's In Same Week?

[timeexposure]

My FFL will not allow me to use a California-approved Firearm Safety Device (cable lock) that I purchased for a PPT on Monday for a second PPT done on Friday (today). The cable lock, sold to me by the FFL, was purchased within the last 30 days (actually, the last four days). I have the receipt showing the purchase of the cable lock, and the date. However, there is no description of the particular lock that was sold to me. By description, I mean it only states "Cable Lock," with no reference to the manufacturer/model/serial number.
Can the Firearm Safety Device/cable lock only be used for one firearm or one transaction? Do I really have to pay the FFL another $10+ for a second cable lock within 30 days of purchasing the first cable lock? Seems excessive to me (never mind that the cable lock seems to me to be worth quite a bit less than $10).
AND IF NOT...
How do I insist/convince the FFL that paying for a second lock is not necessary?
Sounds like I'll just have to pay it to get my firearm, but I was curious. They choose not to do PPT's on the week-ends, but they are open on Mondays (unlike the friendlier FFL in town). It is a minor inconvenience but I will certainly take my business elsewhere if they are enforcing a law/regulation that does not exist.
Apologies if my answer is in some other post (I did search for it, but you know how search results go...).

[Scratch705]

find a retail store that sells a lock that is on the approved list.

buy lock, show up for pickup with said lock, then on the way home from the gun store, return said lock.

[timeexposure]

find a retail store that sells a lock that is on the approved list.



buy lock, show up for pickup with said lock, then on the way home from the gun store, return said lock.

Yeah, they have a way around that too. The lock is "discounted" (from what I don't know), and there is no return allowed for discounted items.
This FFL has earned quite a reputation on Yelp...
I like the staff, but I don't think I can feel good about giving them my business anymore. After buying five new guns from them, untold number of boxes of ammo, and (literally) hundreds of range rentals (lanes and guns), this new lock crap may be the final straw.
But I digress...
Still looking for an answer to my original question. Maybe the store is acting in accordance with the law, and I just misinterpreted it?

[Mike512usa]

Unless they have changed it there is a form that you can fill out stating you have a gun safe which will take care of this requirement. Sadly, many people/stores either don't know/care about this. Just like cops there are various levels of knowledge. That is why I over do the standards. No questions arise.

I think this is the form https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...ms/bof_978.pdf

[OCArmory]

Are you buying a pistol or rifle? You have to remember there is federal and state laws about locks with purchases. If it is a handgun the state would be good with the receipt for the previously purchased lock. however the federal Child safety lock act of 2005 requires that the buyer is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device for that handgun. Since we or the manufacturer have to provide it one must be sold for that transaction. You can either charge for it or give it for free but the store must provide the lock for that specific transaction.

[timeexposure]

Unless they have changed it there is a form that you can fill out stating you have a gun safe which will take care of this requirement. Sadly, many people/stores either don't know/care about this. Just like cops there are various levels of knowledge. That is why I over do the standards. No questions arise.

I think this is the form https://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/a...ms/bof_978.pdf

As I understand it, for handguns (the item in question) this is accepted by the Department of Justice, but not the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Hence the Firearm Security Device, otherwise known as the $1 cable lock they sell for $10.

[timeexposure]

If it is a handgun the state would be good with the receipt for the previously purchased lock. however the federal Child safety lock act of 2005 requires that the buyer is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device for that handgun. Since we or the manufacturer have to provide it one must be sold for that transaction. You can either charge for it or give it for free but the store must provide the lock for that specific transaction.

So as the FFL, you can't truly know the lock that I bring in is really the lock you (as the FFL) provided me on the previous PPT (within the last 30 days). Is that what I understand? And why the FFL that has my PPT wants me to buy another one?

[XxWoodsHunterxX]

I give a lock for any transaction that does now come with one. It's easier than dealing with call the drama and headaches. Most of my customers have safes so they give be bundle of locks they have had that are CA approved.


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[OCArmory]

It has nothing to do with what I know. A lock must be provided for that transaction if it is a pistol sale. Doesn't matter if you bought a case of locks the day before. That pistol transaction must have a lock provided by the seller, in this case the dealer. How they provide that lock is up to them wether they charge or not. Also if you could show me where to get these locks for $1 shipped that would be great. With shipping I am paying just under $5 a piece.

[OCArmory]

Sometimes we also give out locks that customers drop off but doesn't happen very often

[artb]

Get a California DOJ aproved safe and provide documentation.

[acespawnshop]

Get a California DOJ aproved safe and provide documentation.

Only works for long guns, handguns still federally need to have a lock. Now this doesn't mean that you cant use a non-CA compliant lock on a handgun or bring your own from home and do a Safe Affidavit. We just note both on the comments section. Something like "OEM trigger lock for fed laws, safe affidavit for CA DOJ regs"

[acespawnshop]

Sometimes we also give out locks that customers drop off but doesn't happen very often

We will do this too. If you leave and bring us back your lock we will give it to the next customer who needs one so they don't have to buy one. We had a "pay it forward" lock going around for a while. I've seen a few places that have a "need a lock take a lock bin" that customers can use or leave unwanted locks.

[artb]

Only works for long guns, handguns still federally need to have a lock. Now this doesn't mean that you cant use a non-CA compliant lock on a handgun or bring your own from home and do a Safe Affidavit. We just note both on the comments section. Something like "OEM trigger lock for fed laws, safe affidavit for CA DOJ regs"

Thanks for the good info.

[timeexposure]

So if my FFL chose to, they could accept the safe affidavit for DOJ, and an OEM (CZ too?) lock for Fed/BATF?
I have read the DOJ laws on their website. I think I need to research BATF...