Can a CA FFL refuse to do a PTP long gun transfer?

[JC Smith]

I believe an FFL who does not sell handguns (like Big 5) can refuse to do PTP handgun transfers but can an FFL who DOES sell long guns refuse to do long gun PTP transfers? (They say no room in the vault.)

[M1NM]

The law says how he has to store the guns. If his storage is full he can't take anymore in. I had one tell me I couldn't leave it in a case since he was tight on space. I'd say it's a legal excuse for not wanting to do a PPT - you'll never know if he's telling you the truth or just telling you to go elsewhere.

[dvs762]

Sure we can..we need a valid reason..say the ffl gets a bad vibe off the buyer or the seller.or not sure about legality maybe..most places that say they are full ..are..full of shinola..the 10 bucks we make isn't enough for their trouble basically..so many make up bs excuses..

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[Cokebottle]

most places that say they are full ..are..full of shinola.

Today, absolutely.
Last October-December? Everyone was full.
Even Ace's was not taking any new FFL transfers.

[acespawnshop]

Today, absolutely.
Last October-December? Everyone was full.
Even Ace's was not taking any new FFL transfers.

To be more accurate we stopped in November because we were booked solid on transfers and didn't want to be the FFL who couldn't get somebody in to do their transfer and somebody didn't get their gun before the deadline because of us. But we're back to our usual 5-15 boxes per day coming in now. One day during the craze we had 41 delivered.

[Cokebottle]

To be more accurate we stopped in November because we were booked solid on transfers and didn't want to be the FFL who couldn't get somebody in to do their transfer and somebody didn't get their gun before the deadline because of us. But we're back to our usual 5-15 boxes per day coming in now. One day during the craze we had 41 delivered.

I can imagine how crazy it was.

I picked up a new AR from 2AZone and had my longest wait ever... about 15 minutes

[ugimports]

I believe an FFL who does not sell handguns (like Big 5) can refuse to do PTP handgun transfers but can an FFL who DOES sell long guns refuse to do long gun PTP transfers? (They say no room in the vault.)

One way to see if they are full of it is to call and ask if they will handle an inbound transfer of that same rifle...

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[acespawnshop]

We referred all the people who we couldn't accommodate at that time to 2A. We stayed busy right up until the deadline. Got all the evil AW rifles transferred before the final day.

[ugimports]

We referred all the people who we couldn't accommodate at that time to 2A. We stayed busy right up until the deadline. Got all the evil AW rifles transferred before the final day.

We were referring customers to other local FFLs as well.

[kemasa]

I don't know of any exemptions to having to do a CA PPT if they follow the required procedures. Under Federal guidelines you can not do a transfer.

Kind of puts the FFL in a bad spot.

[ugimports]

I don't know of any exemptions to having to do a CA PPT if they follow the required procedures. Under Federal guidelines you can not do a transfer.

Kind of puts the FFL in a bad spot.

I would assume if you were really out of space and completing the PPT would cause you to be in violation of a Penal Code that would be it. I guess I don't know if they have to explicitly call out exemptions such as "You are exempt from this PC If it causes you to break a law" or if that is assumed in general with the law.

[Cokebottle]

I would assume if you were really out of space and completing the PPT would cause you to be in violation of a Penal Code that would be it. I guess I don't know if they have to explicitly call out exemptions such as "You are exempt from this PC If it causes you to break a law" or if that is assumed in general with the law.

Does the PC require post-DROS firearms to be stored in a safe while awaiting pickup?

It doesn't appear to be required for general inventory (gauging by the condition of the displays at various shops).

[ugimports]

Does the PC require post-DROS firearms to be stored in a safe while awaiting pickup?

It doesn't appear to be required for general inventory (gauging by the condition of the displays at various shops).

not in a safe, but safe storage. Various ways to get "safe storage" status in retail stores... such as cables through trigger guards, locked displays, gates on door, etc.. assuming the facility meets those requirements then firearms could just be laying on the floor...although I wouldn't advise that ..

Also, if that were the case then "no storage in safe" wouldn't be a valid excuse.

[Cokebottle]

not in a safe, but safe storage. Various ways to get "safe storage" status in retail stores... such as cables through trigger guards, locked displays, gates on door, etc.. assuming the facility meets those requirements then firearms could just be laying on the floor...although I wouldn't advise that ..

Also, if that were the case then "no storage in safe" wouldn't be a valid excuse.

Maybe not a valid legal excuse, but personally, I wouldn't want my PPT/Transfer to be left out with inventory for 10 days

[kemasa]

I would assume if you were really out of space and completing the PPT would cause you to be in violation of a Penal Code that would be it. I guess I don't know if they have to explicitly call out exemptions such as "You are exempt from this PC If it causes you to break a law" or if that is assumed in general with the law.

Remember, it is the government we are talking about.

It is your problem, not theirs.

I heard about a young driver who swerved to avoid an accident by going into the carpool lane and got a ticket for it. Sense is not a requirement in the law.