Are CA Correction Officers exempt from large cap mag restriction?

[LJ Guns]

Hey All, I know this has been beat to death but I cannot find a specific reference anywhere. I know LEO's, incl CO's, are exempt from the Handgun Roster. However, with regard to large cap. mag's, only those who carry in the course and scope of their duties are exempt from the 10 round limit (https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/exemptpo). As I understand, most CO's do NOT carry in the course and scope of their duties. With that said, I have a CO customer who wants to purchase a Mod 2 M&P9 and they only come with 17 round mags. He tells me he occasionally carries a sidearm when transporting prisoners, and that "most of his co-workers own this same handgun with the large cap mag's". Thoughts?

[taperxz]

Hey All, I know this has been beat to death but I cannot find a specific reference anywhere. I know LEO's, incl CO's, are exempt from the Handgun Roster. However, with regard to large cap. mag's, only those who carry in the course and scope of their duties are exempt from the 10 round limit (https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/exemptpo). As I understand, most CO's do NOT carry in the course and scope of their duties. With that said, I have a CO customer who wants to purchase a Mod 2 M&P9 and they only come with 17 round mags. He tells me he occasionally carries a sidearm when transporting prisoners, and that "most of his co-workers own this same handgun with the large cap mag's". Thoughts?

Correctional officers are neither exempt from the roster or hi cap mags unless they are a sworn deputy. Or i guess i should say "have police powers"

[LJ Guns]

As was my initial thought. However, if you click the link in my original post it clearly shows 'The Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation' as Roster exempt. As you scroll down and find the 'Large Capacity Magazine' section, no specific Dept list is shown...it simply states exemption is based on the specific course and scope of the LEO's duty.

[taperxz]

As was my initial thought. However, if you click the link in my original post it clearly shows 'The Department of Corrections and Rehabilitation' as Roster exempt. As you scroll down and find the 'Large Capacity Magazine' section, no specific Dept list is shown...it simply states exemption is based on the specific course and scope of the LEO's duty.

Correct "police powers" You have to have police authority in and out of work in order to be exempt from the roster or mags.

A correctional officer in certain set ups do not have "police powers" when off duty. In Lake County, CO's are not exempt from the roster or mag laws. They actually need to apply for a CCW in order to carry a gun off duty.

[LJ Guns]

Certainly a tad confusing. I am under the impression NO CO's that have "off duty" police powers (that is unless they are under a different dept like County Sheriff and considered a Deputy). Thus the fact they are listed as a roster-exempt entity tells me the exemption has nothing to do with their off duty powers, only their powers while on duty. Our CO's in Kern County can obtain CCW's by simply qualifying quarterly through their Dept, as opposed to civilians who must apply/qualify every 2 years through the local entity responsible for CCW issue (here in Kern Co it is the Sheriff). SO...still confused

[dvs762]

Doj said to me their id must say either police officer or peace officer to be exempt

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[taperxz]

Certainly a tad confusing. I am under the impression NO CO's that have "off duty" police powers (that is unless they are under a different dept like County Sheriff and considered a Deputy). Thus the fact they are listed as a roster-exempt entity tells me the exemption has nothing to do with their off duty powers, only their powers while on duty. Our CO's in Kern County can obtain CCW's by simply qualifying quarterly through their Dept, as opposed to civilians who must apply/qualify every 2 years through the local entity responsible for CCW issue (here in Kern Co it is the Sheriff). SO...still confused

Live by this rule :

Its says additionally but it also includes the original class or exempt individuals.

A correctional officer who has not received the above training is not exempt from the mag and roster law.

More importantly, if they NEED to carry a CCW issued by the county, they are not roster exempt or hi cap mag exempt because active LE don't need what we know as a CCW.

[LJ Guns]

Makes sense and as far as I know, at least here in Kern County, our CO's do in fact complete the POST Academy. I'll definitely double check. Thanks very much for the insight!

[acespawnshop]

Their ID should say PC 830 on it. Like CDC IDs have. If they're just a regular corrections officer then not roster exempt.

[LJ Guns]

Great info thank you! OK so this particular customer does in fact have credentials that indicate they are a state Peace Officer as defined in CA penal code section 830.2. SO, they are roster exempt as you state. Are they Large Cap Magazine exempt is the question??

[taperxz]

Great info thank you! OK so this particular customer does in fact have credentials that indicate they are a state Peace Officer as defined in CA penal code section 830.2. SO, they are roster exempt as you state. Are they Large Cap Magazine exempt is the question??

Yes.

[LJ Guns]

Thanks guys, very much appreciated!!

[Tyke8319]

Are you talking about personnel from the Calif. Dept. of Corrections or the local Sheriff's Office/counties that hires civilian corrections personnel?

[LJ Guns]

Dept of Corrections and Rehab. His credentials state "Peace Officer" on the front, and on back it indicates "...state Peace Officer as defined in CA penal code section 830.2". The verbiage in the law that confused me is the part about carrying a firearm in the course and scope of duty in order to be exempt from the large cap mag law. As we all know, even though CO's might be considered a peace officer, MOST of them never carry a sidearm.

[Tyke8319]

Ca. Dept. of Corrections officers are peace officers.